Boris Johnson should be banned from parliament for ‘unprecedented’ lies, rules privileges committee

Casdon

Freya5

Shouldn't Ferrier, spreading covid, and Roberts, handy handy, also be subject to more punishment. If not, why not, smacks of Harman and Co, being selective in who gets the most puishment. Believe three of same commitee just about absolved them of the definite harm both of these MPs did.

Their misdemeanours are of nowhere near the same volume or scale, or impact. It’s just an attempt at obfuscation, which only the most diehard Johnson supporters won’t see for exactly what it is. Actually, it’s pathetic.

Thanks for pointing out I'm pathetic. I no way endorse Boris, just pointing out that sexual harassment, and spreading covid, is actually no laughing matter. They got let of very lightly. Typical lefties response , but then again you all had him guilty, before the panel convened. Let's hope Sir Bernard gets his party looked into.

Hmm - what do you make of the committee's findings ( of which many members are Conservatives ) that BJ attempted to intimidate members of the committee?

Freya5

Casdon

Freya5

Shouldn't Ferrier, spreading covid, and Roberts, handy handy, also be subject to more punishment. If not, why not, smacks of Harman and Co, being selective in who gets the most puishment. Believe three of same commitee just about absolved them of the definite harm both of these MPs did.

Their misdemeanours are of nowhere near the same volume or scale, or impact. It’s just an attempt at obfuscation, which only the most diehard Johnson supporters won’t see for exactly what it is. Actually, it’s pathetic.

Thanks for pointing out I'm pathetic. I no way endorse Boris, just pointing out that sexual harassment, and spreading covid, is actually no laughing matter. They got let of very lightly. Typical lefties response , but then again you all had him guilty, before the panel convened. Let's hope Sir Bernard gets his party looked into.

I didn’t say you were pathetic at all Freya5, I said that the attempts at obfuscation were pathetic, because there is no comparison between the misdemeanours. It’s all over the press, it’s a small diehard minority of Johnson supporters who are trying to lash out in any direction possible to attempt to take the heat off him. It really is pathetic. I’m not a leftie by the way.

Freya5

Shouldn't Ferrier, spreading covid, and Roberts, handy handy, also be subject to more punishment. If not, why not, smacks of Harman and Co, being selective in who gets the most puishment. Believe three of same commitee just about absolved them of the definite harm both of these MPs did.

I don't see that this is at all relevant. The Committee has recommended that Johnson is sanctioned because he seriously misled the House of Commons and he was in contempt of Parliament and the committee.

Have the two you've mentioned misled the House?

I'm finding the contempt of Johnson defenders for the rules of the House of Commons very worrying. It suggests a contempt for democracy...

Stopping Johnson will depend on Sunak being strong enough to stand up to him and let the vote go ahead. It seems to me unlikely that he has it in him. He's already suggesting alternatives.

He will allow Johnson to go on thinking, as his master at Eton said, that he is an exception and we are simply being churlished by not recognizing that.

We are not. Johnson has abused one of the highest positions in the land, Parliament, and the voting public. He should not be allowed to stay one moment longer in the headlines or in our lives.

I’m confused now DaisyAnneReturns, I thought the vote was happening, and the question was whether Sunak would personally vote?

Freya5

Shouldn't Ferrier, spreading covid, and Roberts, handy handy, also be subject to more punishment. If not, why not, smacks of Harman and Co, being selective in who gets the most puishment. Believe three of same commitee just about absolved them of the definite harm both of these MPs did.

It seems you feel there is another side to this story Freya5. There isn't. There is one story about a man who was thought to have lied to Parliament.

The House of Commons past a motion to set up a committee to judge whether that was true or not. The properly constructed committee found that he had committed five contempts of Parliament, some of them several times.

The Committee then suggested what the punishment should be. The last step is that this should then go to Parliament snd be voted on.

The fact that someone in darkest England may have been at a party at some point it's just irrelevant.

There is, it seems, just as in other areas that there is a small minority shouting the loudest, and we appear to be lumbered yet again with a spineless PM.

I can see disaster ahead. Again!

About 9% of the electorate, I believe, Whitewave

Casdon

I’m confused now DaisyAnneReturns, I thought the vote was happening, and the question was whether Sunak would personally vote?

Sunak is "reported" to want to change it to a vote on " noting the report", rather than "accepting" it.

I think he’s been persuaded otherwise. Mordant has listed it for Monday, with a one-line whip. Likely lots of Tories won’t bother turning up to vote. I imagine the opposition parties will have the numbers to approve the recommendations.

Thanks Siope I'm having trouble keeping up.

What pressure is there from a one-liner? You would think it means that at least they have turn up.

It’s pretty much meaningless, DaisyAnne. It tells MPs when the vote is and what the party’s policy indicates (in this case a free vote) but there is no requirement to attend or vote.

I’ve spent the day listening to Johnson’s fans arguing that Johnson did nothing wrong, and it’s currently happening again on Newsnight. Victoria Derbyshire is doing well….

MayBee70

I’ve spent the day listening to Johnson’s fans arguing that Johnson did nothing wrong, and it’s currently happening again on Newsnight. Victoria Derbyshire is doing well….

Guto Harri is defending him on QT.

Can’t believe how much time,effort and publicity given to this.Many politicians lie, we know that. Someone has it in for him. Catch criminals, catch spies, sort out the health system for goodness sake. We are just as bad here, anything to distract from urgent health issues in the here and now.

Nobody ‘has it in for him’.. The fact is all liars get caught out eventually.

Parliament into disrepute
A voting population that has no trust in the political system
A voting population that can’t believe what their PM says
No policy of note passed since he took office
Corruption and cronyism rife
Division and hatred
No clear economic plan
A health system going down the tubes
An almost non existent care service
A judicial service on its knees
Immigration policy in absolute chaos

That is what a narcissistic sociopath brings to the country. So of course he had to be dealt with.

Now let’s concentrate on the country’s needs.

What it doesn’t need is another Tory government!

I'm constantly amazed by the desperate attempts of those few diehard supporters who repeatedly try to create an alternate reality about what Johnson actually did, even when the facts which clearly define his guilt are staring them in the face. Multiple examples of repeated lies, obfuscation and contempt, not just of of due process, but also of the population of this country, who sacrificed so much throughout the Covid pandemic. Despicable behaviour, and how anyone on God's earth could continue to support this creature after what he has done is utterly beyond my comprehension. And now we're getting a half-baked, meaningless vote, effectively with no Whip, as to whether or not to "accept" the report. When will that be transformed into much-deserved, appropriate punishment? Toothless, so far, and this teflon-coated, non-load-bearing, sloping-shouldered liar at the centre of it continues to tell us how lucky we were to have had him in the driving seat. Delusional. He's trying to out-do Trump... and coming pretty close to succeeding. Depressing times for our democracy.

Good post nana

The really depressing thing is that I keep reading how dangerous Johnson may become outside of parliament.

He only will do so if he is given a willing platform by a media with a very questionable agenda.

Ww2 GB news will probably invite BJ as a guest presenter. I watched a bit of the Liz Truss/Dan Wootton show last night and the knives are out for Starmer.

One point to make is that effectively BJ is unlikely to face any real sanctions - take away his privileged access as an ex MP - no problem. He can apply for a day pass in the normal way. I doubt that his £100k allowance as an ex PM can be removed. Another empty rhetoric week from the political scene.
Yet another week when BJ invaded the minds of the people.

He's welcome to go off to GB news. Just wish it would get off other media but that wouldn't suit - he loves to be in the limelight good or bad. Too much like Trump for my liking.

Wyllow3 you realise that GB news has the highest audience over BBC and Sky News?
The opposition might just have landed an own goal - but let’s wait and see.

How has the Opposition landed an own goal ,ronib.
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I do not understand this comment , please explain.

westendgirl I am just thinking that Harriet Harman has gone into overdrive with her comments - that’s her perogative after all - but the great media spin machine has the ability to churn it up against her. Just a thought. Masters of deception all of them - sadly.