Will the Tories turn up to vote tomorrow?

Whitewavemark2

I did think that some of the speeches supporting Johnson were a tad eccentric

I didn’t know what they were talking about half of the time! Looking forward to my reply from Heather Wheeler. I may do a compilation of all of the letters I’ve received from her defending her beloved.

My MP didn't turn up. I have emailed him to ask why. It won't change anything but it does show him that people notice.

I did think that some of the speeches supporting Johnson were a tad eccentric

The answer is that most of the Tories didn't turn up to vote aye or no. About 220 abstained. Morally bankrupt in my opinion.

And Bridgen doing a party political speech for his Reclaim party…

There were some very good speeches yesterday, apart from Bill Cash trying to muddy the waters with his erudition.

MayBee70

You missed some of the best speeches I’ve heard in parliament for a long time: from MP’s from all parties (with the exception of Bridgen representing Reclaim). The whole integrity of the government of this country was at stake yesterday and, in the main, it was uplifting.

I have to agree about the quality of the speeches.

However I couldn't help but feel sorry for Penny Mordaunt. Why didn't other members of the cabinet sit on the front bench with her?

My MP is Kwasi Kwarteng. Don’t think he was there… but could be wrong!

I would be surprised and relieved if this was the last we see of Johnson in UK politics. He still has a lot of support inside and outside of parliament.

You missed some of the best speeches I’ve heard in parliament for a long time: from MP’s from all parties (with the exception of Bridgen representing Reclaim). The whole integrity of the government of this country was at stake yesterday and, in the main, it was uplifting.

DaisyAnneReturns

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

Starmer voted FOR the report.

If he did, I apologise.

I thought he was elsewhere making a speech on climate change during the day and had no plans to return.

There was a political bod on the news yesterday saying that neither Mr. Sunak nor Mr. Starmer were intending to vote due to diary commitments.

I had already made this clear. One issue was that only a couple of lines in one paper told us that this is what he was going to do. Perhaps you need wider sources of information GrannyGravy.

My personal opinion is that it was better that neither leader spoke. This was about Parliment not Parties.

However, I feel they both should have voted. The motion said "That this House approves the Fifth Report from the Committee of Privileges". What is Sunak saying by not voting? Does he mean he disapproves or that he doesn't know?

I am not a news addict watching/listening/reading constantly.

I was busy all day yesterday, and only caught the news at breakfast time, didn’t watch the debate, and haven’t seen or read any news today (GC sports day).

DaisyAnneReturns

I'm just beginning to see reports that Sunak did not have pre-arranged plans. At the weekend he was, apparently, down in the parliamentary business section as "Leading a debate in the House of Commons" on Monday afternoon and evening. That disappeared.

Although he was with the Swedish Prime Minister I doubt that they they wanted to spend the whole afternoon and evening together. Nor is it likely that the Swedish Prime Minister wouldn't understand the need to pop over the road and cast a vote. I think Sunak may have more to answer for then appeared in the first instance.

This is where he was yesterday evening.
www.thejc.com/news/politics/rishi-sunak-very-flattered-to-be-called-nice-jewish-boy-by-the-jc-7vsIl0dPoLbbzWO8dJCJ1U

I'm just beginning to see reports that Sunak did not have pre-arranged plans. At the weekend he was, apparently, down in the parliamentary business section as "Leading a debate in the House of Commons" on Monday afternoon and evening. That disappeared.

Although he was with the Swedish Prime Minister I doubt that they they wanted to spend the whole afternoon and evening together. Nor is it likely that the Swedish Prime Minister wouldn't understand the need to pop over the road and cast a vote. I think Sunak may have more to answer for then appeared in the first instance.

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

Starmer voted FOR the report.

If he did, I apologise.

I thought he was elsewhere making a speech on climate change during the day and had no plans to return.

There was a political bod on the news yesterday saying that neither Mr. Sunak nor Mr. Starmer were intending to vote due to diary commitments.

I had already made this clear. One issue was that only a couple of lines in one paper told us that this is what he was going to do. Perhaps you need wider sources of information GrannyGravy.

My personal opinion is that it was better that neither leader spoke. This was about Parliment not Parties.

However, I feel they both should have voted. The motion said "That this House approves the Fifth Report from the Committee of Privileges". What is Sunak saying by not voting? Does he mean he disapproves or that he doesn't know?

And, according to Newsnight, some of them including Heather Wheeler and Coffey just went off the a drinks soirée after the vote….

If Keir had been in the house yesterday it would have been a distraction imo. Tired as I am of politics and the thought of electioneering next year, listening to those speeches in parliament yesterday gave me renewed hope for the way this country is going. Mordant will make a strong opposition leader and government is always better for having strong opposition. Let’s hope the days of Johnson type populism are behind us. But, why oh why has this Emperors New Clothes situation taken so long?

I await with interest the reply from Heather Wheeler for the reasoning behind her no vote. I’m ashamed to live in a constituency that has a representative in Parliament who openly supports lying to the House.

I think Theresa Mays speech was the one that hit home as far as the Tories were concerned.

Although seven were counted as having voted "no" only six names were recorded. This is, apparently, not unusual!

My understanding is that it is because to force a vote, an Opposition MP had to declare that they were opposed to the motion (to stop it being nodded through, and that MP is then included in the number of Nos (and I think does not actually vote)

Obviously, the opposition parties would want a vote on this because those who are abstained can easily (and correctly, imo) be targeted in future election as opposed to Parliamentary sovereignty, cowardly, anti-democracy, pro-Johnson, unprincipled, etc etc etc

GrannyGravy13

Casdon our MP didn’t vote, appears to have been AWOL recently, hasn’t been seen here in the constituency either 😡😡😡

I’d have liked to see a whip for all MPs to vote myself, because upholding democracy is so fundamental. I thought Teresa May summed up why so well in her speech.

Casdon our MP didn’t vote, appears to have been AWOL recently, hasn’t been seen here in the constituency either 😡😡😡

Sorry Whitewavemark2. the political bod I listened to got it wrong.

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

So what is the real reason Sunak didn’t vote? Last week he was saying “tough” over Johnson’s notorious honours list.

This week he is hiding away and not prepared to lead his party in the debate over our democracy.

So what happened between last week and this?

Whitewavamark2 it has already been posted on this thread that the PM had meetings scheduled with the Swedish leader.

Do you hold Mr. Starmer in such low esteem? He didn’t vote either.

Starmer did return and vote. Here’s the full list by party of the Yes and Nos, just click on the overall result for yesterday and it brings up the detail.
votes.parliament.uk/
I was pleased to see my Tory MP had the gumption to vote Aye, I’d be very upset to have an MP too weak to vote.

Whitewavemark2

Starmer voted FOR the report.

If he did, I apologise.

I thought he was elsewhere making a speech on climate change during the day and had no plans to return.

There was a political bod on the news yesterday saying that neither Mr. Sunak nor Mr. Starmer were intending to vote due to diary commitments.

So Rees Mogg spoke out in Johnson’s defence but didn’t vote: Heather Wheeler voted no but didn’t have the decency to at least stand up in parliament and explain why* ( or, if she did I missed it and I think I watched pretty much all of it). As that very eloquent SNP MP said, what a parcel of rogues….
*I shall write to her and ask her what, given she was not prepared to publicly state it, her reason was for supporting the right to lie to parliament.