Missing Titanic Submarine

MayBee70, and on how much they really wanted to go. With the possible exception of the 19 year old , these men made their decision in full knowledge

hollysteers because after Princess Diana's death, which was over 25 years ago there was a real rethink on this issue. Yes, there will continue to be problems with high profile people but now when someone is murderedor a disater like this weeks. A statement will be made asking for the family to be left alone to grieve privately and that request is generally agreed.

25 years ago those who lost family members in the recent Titanic event would have had reporters banging on their doors, paprazzi climbing their garden fences and extended family members harrassed.

I've been in a WWII sub on a tour. Terrifying

My father in law was a naval submariner in the Atlantic fleet throughout WW2. He talked about the way they ‘let off steam” when the war was coming to an end. It seemed to involve drinking and scraping with US troops when they had shore leave. I must stress he was a kind, gentle man with strong ethics / never involved in scraps once he returned home

We went on a tour of The Midway aircraft carrier a few years ago and, even though it’s not a submarine it was far too claustrophobic for me. The only thing I can imagine to be worse would be being in a tank!

An aircraft carrier is huge! 😀

I've been on a submarine but only as a visitor, I certainly couldn't spend long on one ☹

I used to work on IT systems for submarines. As Team Leader for the support project I had to visit the submarines to investigate faults. I'll never forget my first visit to Devonport after my first week on the team - I attended with one of my team and totally forgot I had to climb down the hatch and turned up in a short(ish) skirt. I was mortified but had no choice as the boat was going out to sea the following week. I was told months later I was the most popular visitor of the year 😁

I was told months later I was the most popular visitor of the year I bet you were! 😂

I was only in my mid 20s in those days Marydoll with a cracking pair of long, slim legs (if I do say it myself) 😁 Don't think I would get the same reception today 😅😅

AreWeThereYet

I was only in my mid 20s in those days Marydoll with a cracking pair of long, slim legs (if I do say it myself) 😁 Don't think I would get the same reception today 😅😅

Very few of us would!

I went on a big American Aircraft carrier when I was living in HK it was huuuuuge but no I didn’t like it at all far too claustrophobic and I ve also been on a trawler I have bigger cupboards than their cabins

We went on both nuclear and conventional submarines when a close friend and his son, our godson, were submariners.

The Museum of the Sea in Cherbourg hs a decommissioned French nuclear sub on display. It was fascinating to notice the cultural differences. Ous subs are all grey metal inside. The French one had wood/wood effect doors to the cabins and lots of brass!

MayBee70 ^The point I’ve tried to make is that eg astronauts are knowledgeable about what they’re doing: know the risks and I’m pretty sure they know what to do if there’s a problem.
The people in Titan were totally dependent on the safety of what they were in and had no control over their fate other than deciding not to go.

No.

Trained astronauts in seemingly well engineered shuttle died in 1986, slightly one minute after liftoff, no warning.

In 2003 a shuttle broke up upon re-entry - it seems their only control was not in knowledge/ training - rather in deciding to go or not.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_spaceflight-related_accidents_and_incidents

Norah

MayBee70 ^The point I’ve tried to make is that eg astronauts are knowledgeable about what they’re doing: know the risks and I’m pretty sure they know what to do if there’s a problem.
The people in Titan were totally dependent on the safety of what they were in and had no control over their fate other than deciding not to go.

No.

Trained astronauts in seemingly well engineered shuttle died in 1986, slightly one minute after liftoff, no warning.

In 2003 a shuttle broke up upon re-entry - it seems their only control was not in knowledge/ training - rather in deciding to go or not.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_spaceflight-related_accidents_and_incidents

But they knew exactly what the risks were and, if it had been a problem that was solvable they had the knowledge to try to do something. Which did happen I believe with one of the early missions. Until I saw a play about space exploration I thought that there were the people who designed the space craft and the astronauts were just very fit people who went up in them. I hadn’t realised the astronauts themselves were engineers. Obviously some weren’t eg that poor school teacher who died. That was one of the most awful things I’ve ever witnessed live on tv. It’s the same with F1 drivers. They put a lot if input into the cars they drive.

Well I felt more sorry for the dog they sent up in space I thought that was the worst possible thing hideous just hideous

MayBee70

Norah

MayBee70 ^The point I’ve tried to make is that eg astronauts are knowledgeable about what they’re doing: know the risks and I’m pretty sure they know what to do if there’s a problem.
The people in Titan were totally dependent on the safety of what they were in and had no control over their fate other than deciding not to go.

No.

Trained astronauts in seemingly well engineered shuttle died in 1986, slightly one minute after liftoff, no warning.

In 2003 a shuttle broke up upon re-entry - it seems their only control was not in knowledge/ training - rather in deciding to go or not.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_spaceflight-related_accidents_and_incidents

But they knew exactly what the risks were and, if it had been a problem that was solvable they had the knowledge to try to do something. Which did happen I believe with one of the early missions. Until I saw a play about space exploration I thought that there were the people who designed the space craft and the astronauts were just very fit people who went up in them. I hadn’t realised the astronauts themselves were engineers. Obviously some weren’t eg that poor school teacher who died. That was one of the most awful things I’ve ever witnessed live on tv. It’s the same with F1 drivers. They put a lot if input into the cars they drive.

Of course shuttle pilots/crew are knowledgeable engineers. Seems knowledge didn't halt the 2 shuttle / any other space disasters.

BlueBelle

Well I felt more sorry for the dog they sent up in space I thought that was the worst possible thing hideous just hideous

That was discussed in a recent The Rest is History podcast. They took her to stay with a family prior to the flight so she could have some ‘happy time’. Heartbreaking.

I put more value on people's lives than that of a dog, who would not know what was happening and would not be in a position to anticipate or fear what the outcome might be.

Well I don’t agree there Monica yes of course in normal circumstances I value humans a million times more than animals but this had to be the cruelest thing ever, she was terrified and died of heat exhaustion and fear after being enclosed and strapped in
Yes she did feel fear her heart tracings were tracked and they went off the scale
A human has a choice she had none ….hideous

MayBee70

We went on a tour of The Midway aircraft carrier a few years ago and, even though it’s not a submarine it was far too claustrophobic for me. The only thing I can imagine to be worse would be being in a tank!

We were lucky enough to go when it first opened as a museum in 2004. I agree the sleeping quarters etc were far too claustrophobic for me too. Loved the upper deck and all the planes.

M0nica

I put more value on people's lives than that of a dog, who would not know what was happening and would not be in a position to anticipate or fear what the outcome might be.

Unlike humans she would have picked up on the fear from her handlers, no matter how much they tried to keep a lid on it.

MayBee. The man that designed the Titan was an engineer. He also built and flew his own plane. He was on board. Your argument doesn’t hold water - pardon the pun.

BlueBelle

Well I don’t agree there Monica yes of course in normal circumstances I value humans a million times more than animals but this had to be the cruelest thing ever, she was terrified and died of heat exhaustion and fear after being enclosed and strapped in
Yes she did feel fear her heart tracings were tracked and they went off the scale
A human has a choice she had none ….hideous

I'm sure that the bereaved relatives of those who died are suitably impressed by your comparison, BlueBelle. You feel more sorry for a dog? That truly is hideous, and I am at a loss as to why anyone would feel the need to say it. A staggering lack of empathy for fellow human beings. And there's no point in talking about "in normal circumstances" either, as if that somehow makes a difference to the comparison you have chosen to make, regardless of their feelings. Would you have said that to their faces? No. So why say it here?

BlueBelle

Well I felt more sorry for the dog they sent up in space I thought that was the worst possible thing hideous just hideous

She had no choice.
Just a lab rat, poor creature.

Dreadful thing to do.