Missing Titanic Submarine

I went on a big American Aircraft carrier when I was living in HK it was huuuuuge but no I didn’t like it at all far too claustrophobic and I ve also been on a trawler I have bigger cupboards than their cabins

AreWeThereYet

I was only in my mid 20s in those days Marydoll with a cracking pair of long, slim legs (if I do say it myself) 😁 Don't think I would get the same reception today 😅😅

Very few of us would!

I was only in my mid 20s in those days Marydoll with a cracking pair of long, slim legs (if I do say it myself) 😁 Don't think I would get the same reception today 😅😅

I was told months later I was the most popular visitor of the year I bet you were! 😂

I used to work on IT systems for submarines. As Team Leader for the support project I had to visit the submarines to investigate faults. I'll never forget my first visit to Devonport after my first week on the team - I attended with one of my team and totally forgot I had to climb down the hatch and turned up in a short(ish) skirt. I was mortified but had no choice as the boat was going out to sea the following week. I was told months later I was the most popular visitor of the year 😁

An aircraft carrier is huge! 😀

I've been on a submarine but only as a visitor, I certainly couldn't spend long on one ☹

We went on a tour of The Midway aircraft carrier a few years ago and, even though it’s not a submarine it was far too claustrophobic for me. The only thing I can imagine to be worse would be being in a tank!

My father in law was a naval submariner in the Atlantic fleet throughout WW2. He talked about the way they ‘let off steam” when the war was coming to an end. It seemed to involve drinking and scraping with US troops when they had shore leave. I must stress he was a kind, gentle man with strong ethics / never involved in scraps once he returned home

I've been in a WWII sub on a tour. Terrifying

hollysteers because after Princess Diana's death, which was over 25 years ago there was a real rethink on this issue. Yes, there will continue to be problems with high profile people but now when someone is murderedor a disater like this weeks. A statement will be made asking for the family to be left alone to grieve privately and that request is generally agreed.

25 years ago those who lost family members in the recent Titanic event would have had reporters banging on their doors, paprazzi climbing their garden fences and extended family members harrassed.

MayBee70, and on how much they really wanted to go. With the possible exception of the 19 year old , these men made their decision in full knowledge

It depends how good a salesman he was, I guess,

MayBee70

MerylStreep

Galaxy

That's quite a complex issue though isnt it. My family watch motor sport, it is quite dangerous, and could be considered pointless. In the development of activities such as F1 there were safety issues which nowadays wouldn't be allowed.

My OH was on the 79 Fastnet race where 18 people died. Everyone who sails those races knows the risks.
He now builds and races hot rods at SantaPod.
This is one he built and raced. He now has a faster one.
You won’t stop people who take risks.

www.eurodragstereventcoverage.com/santapod/live/2019dragstalgia/pitnotes/picture.asp?picture=picl05.jpg

But would he take those risks in a vehicle that someone else had made? The point I’ve tried to make is that eg astronauts are knowledgeable about what they’re doing: know the risks and I’m pretty sure they know what to do if there’s a problem. The people in Titan were totally dependent on the safety of what they were in and had no control over their fate other than deciding not to go.

But would he take those risks in a vehicle that someone else had made? The point I’ve tried to make is that eg astronauts are knowledgeable about what they’re doing: know the risks and I’m pretty sure they know what to do if there’s a problem. The people in Titan were totally dependent on the safety of what they were in and had no control over their fate other than deciding not to go.

A good point (butting in here). However, surely they were aware of the CEO's somewhat insouciant attitude towards safety?

MerylStreep

Galaxy

That's quite a complex issue though isnt it. My family watch motor sport, it is quite dangerous, and could be considered pointless. In the development of activities such as F1 there were safety issues which nowadays wouldn't be allowed.

My OH was on the 79 Fastnet race where 18 people died. Everyone who sails those races knows the risks.
He now builds and races hot rods at SantaPod.
This is one he built and raced. He now has a faster one.
You won’t stop people who take risks.

www.eurodragstereventcoverage.com/santapod/live/2019dragstalgia/pitnotes/picture.asp?picture=picl05.jpg

But would he take those risks in a vehicle that someone else had made? The point I’ve tried to make is that eg astronauts are knowledgeable about what they’re doing: know the risks and I’m pretty sure they know what to do if there’s a problem. The people in Titan were totally dependent on the safety of what they were in and had no control over their fate other than deciding not to go.

Galaxy

That's quite a complex issue though isnt it. My family watch motor sport, it is quite dangerous, and could be considered pointless. In the development of activities such as F1 there were safety issues which nowadays wouldn't be allowed.

My OH was on the 79 Fastnet race where 18 people died. Everyone who sails those races knows the risks.
He now builds and races hot rods at SantaPod.
This is one he built and raced. He now has a faster one.
You won’t stop people who take risks.

www.eurodragstereventcoverage.com/santapod/live/2019dragstalgia/pitnotes/picture.asp?picture=picl05.jpg

The distruction of the Titan needs a proper inquiry with evidence from whatever can be recovered from the seabed and evidence under oath from those with direct knowledge of its design and testing. Most of what is being said now is pure speculation feeding into media coverage exploiting people's feelings. Pontifications by former Prime Ministers can safely be ignored.

Monica

These men were tourists out for a ride for a limited view through a tiny porthole of a wreck that can be viewed far better in safety in the films taken by remotely operated vehicles

Patently untrue and you really don’t know enough to make such a sweeping statement.

Galaxy

That's quite a complex issue though isnt it. My family watch motor sport, it is quite dangerous, and could be considered pointless. In the development of activities such as F1 there were safety issues which nowadays wouldn't be allowed.

I’ve been thinking along similar lines. My husband admired the polar explorers and did one of those Antarctic cruises that may threaten the area
I rode horses till my early 60’s when arthritis got in the way. I had 5 days on hospital after a bad fall in my twenties. I was riding a young horse known to be ‘a bit of a challenge”. I’ve sat in A and E with my children after they fell off a wall, a horse or in one case the gym teacher suspected a fractured ankle and all my 14 year old had done was leap in the air to cheer her team on. I realise this may sound superficial in comparison with explorers but there is something about zest for life and curiosity we need not to lose in our concern to make life as safe as possible

M0nica

Nowadays, I think most reporting of human tragedies like this is far less intrusive and voyeuristic than it was in the past.

What makes you think that M0nica? Just look at the Diana saga…

M0nica

tickingbird you are confusing people who move the world forward with their efforts, using their brains and courage to make discoveries and develop technology that directly and indirectly benefits us all.

These men were tourists out for a ride for a limited view through a tiny porthole of a wreck that can be viewed far better in safety in the films taken by remotely operated vehicles.

Nothing about this exploit moved science forward one jot.

Science may be forwarded in some way by this tragedy. Improvement of materials used and a further understanding of what is required at such depths if an occasion occurred when it was necessary to descend to such a level and I’m not talking about tourism.
Quite a few everyday items we use have come about through something like space travel and its problems for example.
Apparently my gas fire and fake coals are one!

That's quite a complex issue though isnt it. My family watch motor sport, it is quite dangerous, and could be considered pointless. In the development of activities such as F1 there were safety issues which nowadays wouldn't be allowed.

M0nica

tickingbird you are confusing people who move the world forward with their efforts, using their brains and courage to make discoveries and develop technology that directly and indirectly benefits us all.

These men were tourists out for a ride for a limited view through a tiny porthole of a wreck that can be viewed far better in safety in the films taken by remotely operated vehicles.

Nothing about this exploit moved science forward one jot.

No, that's right.

We know what happened with the ship, why it happened, how it happened, and when it happened. It's now a mass grave site.

It's very sad what happened to these Titanic "tourists" but it was pointless.

They've lost their lives, left loved ones grieving and caused endless aggravation trying to rescue them. 🙁

Here is a brief article (CNBC News) that explains in layman's terms why the hull material was under scrutiny for some time prior to this incident. My OH who was a marine engineer (though doesn't claim extensive knowledge but did work on ships' hulls) believes that ultimately, it will prove to be the cause of the disaster.

It has to be remembered that these dives were still in the experimental stage, possibly why all the waivers had to be signed by the prospective passengers who were, in effect, part of the experiment.

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/carbon-fiber-one-titan-submersibles-experimental-materials-comes-scrut-rcna90856

I’m as ever, a bit conflicted here. It’s clear this submersive was not considered safe by many experts. Having signed risk waivers including possible death, passengers made a choice.
The 19 year old seems to have been unenthusiastic but went ahead because he loved his father. They paid with their lives. I don’t see them as thrill seekers, the history of the Titanic fascinates many people. We can’t prevent people becoming fascinated nor should we want to.

These kind of trips to the Titanic are frequent. No doubt the safety of the subs used is now in sharp focus.

One of them was an explorer.
I hope there isnt a knee jerk reaction. It sounds as if this company disregarded concerns and were negligent but we rely on people (often very rich) to take risks to make progress. Often those projects are vanity projects.