Missing Titanic Submarine

Marydoll

I just find it all very intrusive and it makes me uneasy, it doesn't mean my view is correct. It's just how I feel.
Now we pick over every aspect of a person's life, want to know every intimate detail and technology makes that possible. You can't compare it with Victorian times.
I feel the families should be allowed to grieve privately.

That’s a very sweeping statement Marydoll I’m sure not everybody is like that….

*MOnica^

If this recent tragedy makes us a nation of voyeurs, then it is nothing new, and many other countries, including the USA are among the voyeur nations.

Quite so.

When you search for news items on the 'net and find this tragedy dominating the headlines I suspect very few people will scroll past it. That doesn't mean that we are 'begging' for details.

I think everyone has a curiosity about what is going on around them and it's probably part of the survival-instinct.

We are not responsible for the manner in which the news is presented. The media play on our natural curiosity - and some of it is more prurient than necessary.

Maybe when people read about shocking tragedies there's an element of 'what can I do to make sure it doesn't happen to me'?

Also, there are positives to rolling news coverage of events like natural disasters - people empathise with victims of earthquakes etc and want to help by donating towards the relief funding.

Regarding this particular accident, I think there will be further news coverage because questions will be asked about the safety of such private enterprises. Questions which were raised previously about the viability of the vessel. And I personally don't think that's a bad thing if, to use a hackneyed phrase, lessons are learned. The late CEO of OceanGate took quite a cavalier attitude towards safety. Although those on board all signed a waiver, maybe questions do need to be asked. Very rich people have as much right to protection as the rest of us.

I am pleased to say, that I'm not quite old enough, Monica.
As I have previously said, developments in technology make it so easy to follow events, unlike in Victorian times and in 1952. We have so much detailed. information and I believe that although, people will, always be curious, that's human nature, it is on a much larger scale nowadays.

Intrusiveness does not sit well with me and I find some of what happens, quite distasteful.
This is only my opinion and in no way a criticism of posters on here.

Marydoll Are you old enough to remember the saga of the 'Flying Enterprise' in 1952? A cargo ship broke down in terrible winter storms off the Cornish coast and eventually broke into two and sank, but only after the Captain had fought for a several weeks to save it.

The publicity and reporting given to that disaster was every bit as obsessive as that given to this event. It was top story in every news bulletin and tookover the front page of all the papers.

Aged 8 I was one of millions of people in the USA and UK, and no doubt further afield who were rivetted by the story and foolowed every twist and turn. As i said I was aged 8 and to this day can remember the drama and the details.

If this recent tragedy makes us a nation of voyeurs, then it is nothing new, and many other countries, including the USA are among the voyeur nations.

When it comes to leaving the families to grieve privately, I think we are far better than we were in the past. There are codes of practice now that journalists must follow and it is now considered totally unacceptable to hound the grieving.

In this corrent tragedy, although we have been given brief details of their families, we have had no interviews, papparazzi photos, or photos of family other than the victims themselves..

I seem to have lost the word “exploration” in my final sentence
I hope “Exploration has always cost lives..” etc makes more sense.

Worse than a tragic accident, this was a vanity project which could only have occurred where money was no object.
It appears that OceanGate (the company concerned) charges a quarter of a million dollars for a ticket to visit the world’s best-known shipwreck.
Without knowing the technical details, the submersible seems to have raised doubts years ago.
From todays DT
As tensions mounted, it emerged that concerns about Titan’s safety had been raised in 2018. “It hasn’t surprised us,” said Will Kohnen, chairman of the Marine Technology Society’s Submarine Committee. “We’ve been aware of this project for some time and have had concerns. “
Reminds one of Richard Branson’s ambition for space flights and his Virgin Orbit which has announced it will be shutting down. It comes a few months after a space mission ended in disappointment, when a rocket carrying the first satellites launched from the UK failed to reach orbit and was lost.
Or Elon Musk whose prototype of SpaceX Starship was launched on its first orbital test flight, in April of this year, which the company dubbed the Starship Integrated Flight Test. The vehicle exploded without reaching orbit less than four minutes after liftoff from the SpaceX Starbase in Boca Chica, Texas
Thank God it was unmanned.
Throughout history has always cost lives but these were commercial exploitations and tragically, money could not buy everything.

Apparently the highly classified U.S. Navy long range sonar system picked up "sounds consistent with an implosion" in the area on Sunday, at around the time communication and contact was lost with the submersible. The confidential information was passed to the Coast Guard, but as it was considered "not definitive" it was decided to continue with the search. Now that the debris has been found, it appears that this early detection on sonar was indeed the catastrophic destruction of the submersible. I cannot begin to imagine the pain that the victims' families and friends have suffered over these past few days, while some faint hope still existed. My heart goes out to them.

I only wish that they would leave the Titanic alone now. It is a deep and watery grave for so many souls in Davy Jones' locker. However, there will always be dare devil adventurers in the mountains and at sea that will push the limits of human experience. They make their choices.

My daughter was an EMT,you'd be surprised how many people want to ride out a hurricane, blizzard etc.
Then it's there and they're scared and start calling 911,so the rescuers have to go " save" them?

Marydoll

I just find it all very intrusive and it makes me uneasy, it doesn't mean my view is correct. It's just how I feel.
Now we pick over every aspect of a person's life, want to know every intimate detail and technology makes that possible. You can't compare it with Victorian times.
I feel the families should be allowed to grieve privately.

The comparison with Victorian times was to indicate that people's curiosity, either 'idle' or specific is not a new phenomena.

The only difference now is that we have the technology to update the news on a minute-by-minute basis, but I don't believe that voyeurism is a new human trait.

Very sad for the victims and their families.
I hope that this will be the last of these awful journeys. The submarine wasn’t properly built or equipped if what’s said in the news is correct. How irresponsible to send people down like that to face such dangers in an ill equipped piece of equipment.

I just find it all very intrusive and it makes me uneasy, it doesn't mean my view is correct. It's just how I feel.
Now we pick over every aspect of a person's life, want to know every intimate detail and technology makes that possible. You can't compare it with Victorian times.
I feel the families should be allowed to grieve privately.

Marydoll

I have just listened to an interview, where the person being interviewed on his views about this awful tragedy, commented that we have become a nation of voyeurs.
I tend to agree.

I don't believe we're anymore voyeuristic. If you look back to some of the newspaper reports of Victorian times, they were similar. Now we have rolling news coverage.

Human nature is such that I think people need to make sense of tragedies, to understand the causes, as a way of rationalising the unpredictable world we live in.

Not sure what you mean by that. We are just concerned about this which has been all over the news, and now just thankful that it appears their death must have been more merciful than at first thought. RIP.

I have just listened to an interview, where the person being interviewed on his views about this awful tragedy, commented that we have become a nation of voyeurs.
I tend to agree.

Dickens

I think many experts in the field suspected all along that there had been a catastrophic failure and that the vessel had imploded.

From what my OH tells me, it would all have been over in milliseconds - not even time for any thoughts to have registered in the brain, so they would've been totally unaware.

Some comfort, at least, for the families who must have been struggling with thoughts of them suffering a lingering death.

I think you're likely correct, Dickens. A pilot on one of the US space shuttles explained the most dangerous bit is launch, arriving into orbit - this seems much the same I suppose.

Sad news. RIP souls.

Thank the Lord it seems it would have been instant. The thought that they were suffering a slow death by suffocation was unbearable, all the more so for their families. RIP.

I think many experts in the field suspected all along that there had been a catastrophic failure and that the vessel had imploded.

From what my OH tells me, it would all have been over in milliseconds - not even time for any thoughts to have registered in the brain, so they would've been totally unaware.

Some comfort, at least, for the families who must have been struggling with thoughts of them suffering a lingering death.

RIP, so very sad.

May they RIP. Terribly sad.

So terribly sad.

A small mercy, compared to a slow, lingering death over many days, possibly in complete darkness. Condolences to their family and friends, who have been through a dreadful ordeal. May their souls rest in peace.

A terrible tragedy and maybe with time there'll be some comfort for family and friends knowing that they didn't suffer.

Seems like they died instantly.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12223805/Debris-field-discovered-search-area-near-Titanic.html

Yes, sadly it appears that debris has been found from the craft - there is a press conference shortly. I was listening to an expert on the news who said its highly likely that the submersible imploded just before it lost comms - I truly hope so, an instant and painless death rather than slowly dying over days whilst running out of oxygen. My thoughts are with their families - RIP.