Missing Titanic Submarine

Shazmo24

The use of this type of technology is more common than you might think. I have a drive from wheelchair vehicle provided for me by Motability fitted with ‘Space Drive’, a similar system. It’s a good idea, in my experience, to give a heads up to anyone travelling with you as a passenger for the first time. They can get a bit twitchy when they realise there’s no steering wheel!

GrannyGravy13

tickingbird

I started the thread on the lack of interest in the migrant boat that capsized. I was shocked that such a huge loss of life wasn’t worthy of comment. However, those poor people had already lost their lives. This scenario is a race against time to save 4 men and one teenager trapped in a tiny craft, no room to stand up or stretch their legs and a finite amount of oxygen. They are 2 miles under the ocean, extremely cold and it’s pitch black. It’s the stuff of nightmares.

The more I think about it the more I hope something happened when the signal stopped and it was all over in seconds. It could have imploded, or been hit by something. The thought of them being trapped in there since Sunday morning is hard to contemplate. I doubt we’ll ever know but my thoughts are with them, just as much as my thoughts were with the drowned migrants.

There has been another migrant boat incident on the way to Italy, the Moroccan Coast Guard have found one dead child and others I believe are still missing.

These desperate people were trying to get to Italy, I read it on Sky News yesterday.

And the drownings are going to continue. As long as desperate people are prepared to risk their lives to escape poverty, persecution and war. And until the 'civilised' world gets to grips with the fact that people will continue to flee from all three of these states (not to mention the effects of climate change) and forms a cohesive policy to deal with the problem - and the problem of those who are migrating for criminal purposes... drug-dealing, trafficking and prostitution rackets, etc.

tickingbird

I started the thread on the lack of interest in the migrant boat that capsized. I was shocked that such a huge loss of life wasn’t worthy of comment. However, those poor people had already lost their lives. This scenario is a race against time to save 4 men and one teenager trapped in a tiny craft, no room to stand up or stretch their legs and a finite amount of oxygen. They are 2 miles under the ocean, extremely cold and it’s pitch black. It’s the stuff of nightmares.

The more I think about it the more I hope something happened when the signal stopped and it was all over in seconds. It could have imploded, or been hit by something. The thought of them being trapped in there since Sunday morning is hard to contemplate. I doubt we’ll ever know but my thoughts are with them, just as much as my thoughts were with the drowned migrants.

There has been another migrant boat incident on the way to Italy, the Moroccan Coast Guard have found one dead child and others I believe are still missing.

These desperate people were trying to get to Italy, I read it on Sky News yesterday.

I would never have the money or the arrogance of wanting to get these world records. Either submarines are experimental or maintenance is overdue. Why pay to risk your life? And your son's life in this coffin.

Monica is right, many advances came about because of wealthy people prepared to take risks. Travel by plane train etc was risky in the initial stages, people died. There will be I am sure questions about how this expedition was run but we shouldnt want a no risk society.

I started the thread on the lack of interest in the migrant boat that capsized. I was shocked that such a huge loss of life wasn’t worthy of comment. However, those poor people had already lost their lives. This scenario is a race against time to save 4 men and one teenager trapped in a tiny craft, no room to stand up or stretch their legs and a finite amount of oxygen. They are 2 miles under the ocean, extremely cold and it’s pitch black. It’s the stuff of nightmares.

The more I think about it the more I hope something happened when the signal stopped and it was all over in seconds. It could have imploded, or been hit by something. The thought of them being trapped in there since Sunday morning is hard to contemplate. I doubt we’ll ever know but my thoughts are with them, just as much as my thoughts were with the drowned migrants.

Looking back at some of the statements made by OceanGate's CEO, Stockton Rush, he would seem to have a rather cavalier attitude towards Safety.

Combining that with the fact that the craft and dives are still in the "experimental" stage, it's beginning to look like one of those accidents waiting to happen.

What advances are made by visiting, at great risk, the site of the Titanic? This was not a scientific expedition but tourism only.

Absolutely agree with you NanaDana.

Bluebelle These men are human beings like us and they have families and loved ones and the basic human feelings are the same for everyone at every level: love and fear and a desire to live.

Everyone at every level is prone to do, or not do. things that they later regret. Remember it was the Thai boy's football coach that led them into danger.

It is easy to deplore, now, the decision these men made to make this trip, but many many advances in life have been made by exceptional people prepared to take, what to most of us apppear, insane risks, the pioneers of aviation, going into space, exploring, then totally unknown parts of the world. Every year hundreds, if not a thousand or so people climb Mount Everest and the casualty rate there is very high, with bodie abandoned wholesale across the mountain

The men on this trip will have looked at the risks, checked their craft and felt that the risks was low enough to risk the journey. Remember the people on board include the man who owns the company that owns and runs this vehicle. Despite the suggestions that there could have been faults in the vehicle, he felt it was safe enough to travel on himself.

This is a personal tragedy played out on an international stage.

Callistemon my last post was in direct reply to a sentence in Usernametaken's post, which I quoted, and in the context of what she wrote, the fact that the Titanic is at the bottom of the sea, is entirely irrelevant.

Shazmo24
I poster earlier that the us navy use the Xbox 360 controller on their submarines

Whataboutery is inevitable, I suppose, as we all express our responses to this unfolding tragedy. My initial feelings were to compare the risks these men willingly took to take part in an adventure, with the grave yard that the Mediterranean Sea is becoming. I had a word with myself. Compassion for humans in danger shouldn’t be only felt for people we conclude ‘deserve ‘ our prayers and compassion and not for those we judge

To be bolted in from the outside and rely on a PS controller to be movef NO WAY!

How dreadful it would be to be trapped in a thing like that way underwater. Unimaginable horror. 🙏

M0nica

Usernametaken After all, we don’t go and visit the site of a plant crash do we. Must be something very wrong with these people imo.

People visit Auschwitz, the Colosseum in Rome and war cemeteries. The Titanic was a remarkable ship and has the same interest to people as Nelson's 'Victory' at Portsmouth and the original 'Queen' liners when they became tourist sites after they ceased to be working liners.

What is the difference?

Maybe the fact that the Titanic is at the bottom of the ocean, not remotely accessible like the other sites you mention?

I find it so disappointing to see some of the hard-hearted comments here from those who clearly think that race or wealth has any significance whatsoever in deciding just how “worthy” of rescue these unfortunate souls are. Simply adding, “however, I do hope that they are saved” does nothing to minimize the original, callous assessment, as it can’t be unsaid. Also, those who are trying to play “newsworthiness top trumps” with the Greek fishing boat disaster are not comparing like with like. It's too obvious to have to explain why. As for the pointless, repeated “all this money could have been better spent” comments, see my previous post as to how irrelevant they are.

I do feel sorrow because this is a most horrific death, completely unthinkable, but they knew all the risks and were either so arrogant they didn’t believe anything could go wrong for them, or so in need of something new dangerous and different to do that it went over their heads They signed enough declarations to know the dangers How anyone could take their young son at the start of his life into the unknown I can’t imagine
So whilst I feel sorry and upset at their plight I don’t feel the same level of compassion that some of you feel and it certainly doesn’t hit me like those young lads who were trapped in Thailand or the miners in Mexico when my heart went out to them and I lived on the edge of my seat all the time they were trapped I suppose it’s because these men knowingly put themselves in this position whereas the other situations were unfortunately completely out of their control and the same with the migrants that are drowned desperately trying to save their families from horrible dangerous lives I can imagine how I’d do anything to save my family whereas I could never imagine taking them into an unknown dangerous situation just because I wanted new thrills
I have a feeling the capsule will not be found it’s tiny in a huge huge busy and very dangerous ocean

AGAA4

I hope they are found safe but all the money being spent on the rescue of people who are made very aware of the dangers seems wrong to me. Surely they can think of better ways to spend a spare quarter of a million.

Totally agree with you. I have been trying in a small way to help animal charities who are rescuing animals in Ukraine and the money spent going to gawp at those unfortunate people's resting place could have gone to better use. It is their money I know but it just seemed stupid and wasteful and now it looks as if it will end in tragedy.

People ask what can they do about tragic headlines? You can only do your best to make sure that you and yours make wise decisions about what choices you make in life. Read the book, watch the film but don't go knowingly into dangerous situations. People do have choices still.

Mags, not a nice comment. Five people in horrific circumstances, the world willing and working for them to be saved. Words fail.

I’ve just said my last futile prayers for them and their families.
RIP

Am I being too cynical but once again most of the newspapers, at least the tabloids, concentrate their headlines on this story this morning. Could it be to distract our attention away from the unfolding financial crisis about to hit us, particularly the young, with soaring interest rates?

I am probably being particularly dense but why, if the sub was heading for the Titanic, is the search not concentrating on the wreck itself?

We are bombarded with such awful news all of the time. I do feel guilty about the way that I react to some things more than others but, if I’m honest it often depends on how I can relate to certain events. I was terribly upset about the young footballer who was in that plane that went missing over the channel. I still get upset when I think about it. Again it was a situation that unfolded over a period of time and he reminded me of my son. It doesn’t mean that I don’t care about other tragedies. Another group of people were lost in a boat capsize yesterday I believe but the situation is so huge and ongoing I don’t really know what I can do because the world just has to stop having wars: I’ve wanted a peaceful world for most of my adult life but it just seems to be getting worse

If the men, women and children were submerged, trapped in a capsized vessel with the possibility of a rescue mission being launched - I believe (and hope) that the media would have been as 'full-on' as they are about this incident. But the overcrowded fishing boat just sank. The inevitability of most of them drowning hardly bears thinking about.

It is the horror of people being entombed somewhere on the sea bed that, it has to be said, is capturing the public's imagination in a ghoulish kind of way - it's the stuff of nightmares.

I don't think anyone is consciously weighing up whose lives are more important - it's the sheer drama of this incident that is keeping it alive in the media. If the submersible had simply imploded and we knew that all of the unfortunate passengers had died, I don't think it would be dominating the headlines in quite the same way.

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