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CvD66 Wed 28-Jun-23 14:59:04

...the largest national peacetime debt ever;
...the largest tax burden since WWII;
…the highest core inflation since 1991;
…the fastest interest rate rises since 1989;
…the biggest fall in the living standards in our history
PMQs 28 June 2023

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 29-Jun-23 12:54:13

Thanks Sharon. I would love to know how Labour would have coped with all these things. Of course they simply criticise, never offer an alternative way of coping with so much in such a short time. I too dread a Labour government,

ronib Thu 29-Jun-23 13:07:16

I think it’s going to be a LibLab coalition…

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 29-Jun-23 13:10:22

Lord save us. Remember the old LibLab Pact?

MadeInYorkshire Thu 29-Jun-23 13:12:03

He has achieved absolutely nothing!

The list is what Chris Bryant said in PMQ's this week and Rishi was obviously a bit knocked back by it as it presumably wasn't what he was expecting, it was a good speech!

Smileless2012 Thu 29-Jun-23 13:12:34

Yes I do remember GSM and as you say Lord save us.

Casdon Thu 29-Jun-23 13:15:31

The latest opinion poll is predicting 120 seat majority for Labour. I don’t think that will happen, but nor do I think it will be a Lab/Lib coalition. What is highly likely is that the Tories will get an absolute battering which is all to the good.

Iam64 Thu 29-Jun-23 14:32:01

I do hope the tories get comprehensively booted out

Iam64 Thu 29-Jun-23 14:34:22

How anyone continues to support the tories of the past 12 years is a mystery to me
Our public services including the nhs are decimated.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 29-Jun-23 14:38:36

I am a mystery then. And not alone. The question is, what would another party have done differently? They criticise but have been woefully short of ideas.

Freya5 Thu 29-Jun-23 14:39:47

MadeInYorkshire

He has achieved absolutely nothing!

The list is what Chris Bryant said in PMQ's this week and Rishi was obviously a bit knocked back by it as it presumably wasn't what he was expecting, it was a good speech!

Oh yes, the underpants man. Just think he might have some real power next year. I dread to think what he'll do then.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 29-Jun-23 14:47:06

I reckon the financial support that Sunak has given to people and businesses during the pandemic and in the fuel and cost of living crises is quite an achievement - partly as chancellor and latterly as PM.

Romola Thu 29-Jun-23 14:50:01

I am no supporter of the Conservatives, but I don't think you can blame Sunak for all our current woes.
Brexit - he was a Leaver but now seems to be experiencing buyer's remorse and has made overtures to the EU.
Covid - not his fault that it happened but we await the Hallett report.
Ukraine - it seems to me that the UK has no alternative but to continue the financial and military support.
All this has had a devastating effect on the country's finances and it is clear that public services cannot fulfil their statutory obligations, while the poorest struggle to put food on the table.
I make no mention of the 1980s privatisations, the consequences of which are now clear.
And there's climate change.
Good luck, Keir

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 29-Jun-23 15:05:42

Unless he raises taxes very substantially, which he says he won’t do (as it won’t win votes), how he could do things differently I can’t imagine.

cc Thu 29-Jun-23 15:19:00

Dynawritecat

Yes and now look at Thames Water. Privatisation of essential facilities should never have happened.

My husband was a civil engineer specialising in water and worked all over the world (including the UK) pre-privatisation. Thatcher ruined the industry, many of the new privatised companies tried to take over the consultancy work that competent engineers used to do and, almost without exception, lost a fortune as they didn't have staff who could do the work and had much higher management overheads.
Most of the old consultancies were taken over by the new water companies or merged with others, many of them from overseas. A huge chunk of our foreign earnings were lost, forever.
Thames Water is a prime example of the result of this policy.
These water companies pay huge salaries and bonuses to their board members, regardless of their competence. They're top-heavy with management and they have to pay dividends too. Sadly not enough of our payments for water have made their way into the system to pay for necessary updating.

cc Thu 29-Jun-23 15:24:22

I'm not a rabid Sunac supporter but I can't see how he can be blamed for all of these ills. Economies all over the world are in trouble for various reasons including Covid. Much of the mortgage interest rate debacle is down to Truss' short-lived reign, when two ignorant non-economists tried to invent a new way of dealing with an economy struggling with the costs of Covid. Naturally they failed and in a fair world they would be prosecuted for the damage that they did.
It was Cameron who arrogantly assumed that the British public would not vote for Brexit and didn't bother to negotiate a better leaving deal.

Nandalot Thu 29-Jun-23 15:35:21

Cameron didn’t negotiate the leaving deal.

Ladyleftfieldlover Thu 29-Jun-23 15:46:21

Cameron ran away and hid in his shepherd’s hut.

Iam64 Thu 29-Jun-23 16:41:06

I’ve seen no one blaming Sunak for our troubles. I always saw him as the best of the candidates
I’m putting responsibility on 12 years of Tory misrule but I accept I never have suppprted Tory policies

Keffie12 Thu 29-Jun-23 18:02:16

Plus Brexit - it hasn't caused all our problems. It's certainly made the country problems worse.

I have added this to the person/s who have only said Ukraine and Covid19

cc Thu 29-Jun-23 18:05:47

Nandalot

Cameron didn’t negotiate the leaving deal.

No, you're right, sorry I didn't express myself right!
He went to the EU before the Brexit vote, as I understood it he went to discuss the way that various EU rules applied to the UK - one of which was open borders, as there was disquiet here about the results of unlimited migration into the UK.
He came home with nothing, some say this led to the Brexit vote. It has been suggested that if the EU had given an indication that the situation on immigration could have been eased, then the marginal vote for Brexit could have been changed to a vote against.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 29-Jun-23 18:11:07

I deliberately didn’t mention Brexit because the argument would be raised that Cameron permitted the referendum and Johnson was heavily involved in the Leave movement. Nevertheless it has had an impact for which Sunak can’t be individually blamed. Those who are to blame are the mass of people who voted to leave. I wasn’t one of them.

varian Thu 29-Jun-23 18:20:38

Sunak was one of them GSM, and not just a voter but a vocal campaigner who still refuses to admit that brexit was based on lies.

TanaMa Thu 29-Jun-23 18:37:15

I don't enter into political 'discussions' as it is such an individual choice, however, I wonder how many if the people dismissing Boris Johnson's time as P.M. took the money he handed out during the covid lockdown! There were so many, like the Beckhams, who claimed money to pay staff! Who refused the money paid out for electricity bills? A lot if short memories!

growstuff Thu 29-Jun-23 18:54:30

He didn't hand me any money during Covid lockdown!

(And I haven't forgotten.)

vegansrock Thu 29-Jun-23 19:10:20

Sunak was a willing collaborator with Johnson so isn’t squeaky clean.