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CvD66 Wed 28-Jun-23 14:59:04

...the largest national peacetime debt ever;
...the largest tax burden since WWII;
…the highest core inflation since 1991;
…the fastest interest rate rises since 1989;
…the biggest fall in the living standards in our history
PMQs 28 June 2023

MaizieD Fri 30-Jun-23 09:13:47

nanna8

One thing about the dreaded Boris - he wasn’t boring. Sunak has only been in office since the end of 2022 so it’s a bit of a stretch to blame all that just on him. Still, I guess a week is a long time in politics,as they say.

No, he was just overwhemingly likely to be in the pay of Russia and is a compulsive, irresponsible liar without a single ounce of integrity.
But 'not boring' is clearly a far better qualification for a PM than competence...

Not that Sunak is particularly competent, unlike Johnson, he just doesn't have any personality to cover his incompetence.

MaizieD Fri 30-Jun-23 09:07:38

He came home with nothing,

That's not actually true, cc.

growstuff Fri 30-Jun-23 08:19:36

Germanshepherdsmum

Did qualify for a payment during lockdown? Perhaps not if you weren’t on furlough or running a business, Neither did I. But we’ve had help with the cost of living haven’t we?

I was running a business, but my income from other sources in the previous tax year had been greater, so I didn't qualify and had to use savings to pay my bills.

ronib Fri 30-Jun-23 07:49:13

Ww2 the election is months away. Nothing will come of it as you say if Lib/Labs in power including free childcare which Starmer has vetoed.
Amanda Pritchard as head of Nhs has been working really hard on this so why decry her efforts?

tickingbird Fri 30-Jun-23 07:49:12

HousePlantQueen
Anyone who truly thinks that the state of the NHS is down to a few thousand desperate people on boats

A few thousand! If you like facts you need to check your source. Far, far, far more than that. Many thousands year upon year. Stop pretending it has no impact on our infrastructure.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 30-Jun-23 07:33:33

He was chancellor

nanna8 Fri 30-Jun-23 07:32:27

One thing about the dreaded Boris - he wasn’t boring. Sunak has only been in office since the end of 2022 so it’s a bit of a stretch to blame all that just on him. Still, I guess a week is a long time in politics,as they say.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 30-Jun-23 07:30:20

ronib

Looking forward to proposals by Sunak and Amanda Pritchard to bring in Nhs apprenticeships for doctors and nurses. Also 4 year medical degrees. A real commitment to tackling this problem at last. Sunak is not asleep at the wheel.

😄😄😄 haven’t you noticed that there is an election coming up!

Expect masses of this sort of announcement over the next few months where absolutely nothing will come if it.

What on earth makes you think it will? they’ve had 13 long tedious unpleasant years to look after the NHS and look at the state it is in!

ronib Fri 30-Jun-23 07:24:25

Looking forward to proposals by Sunak and Amanda Pritchard to bring in Nhs apprenticeships for doctors and nurses. Also 4 year medical degrees. A real commitment to tackling this problem at last. Sunak is not asleep at the wheel.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 29-Jun-23 19:16:21

Did qualify for a payment during lockdown? Perhaps not if you weren’t on furlough or running a business, Neither did I. But we’ve had help with the cost of living haven’t we?

vegansrock Thu 29-Jun-23 19:10:20

Sunak was a willing collaborator with Johnson so isn’t squeaky clean.

growstuff Thu 29-Jun-23 18:54:30

He didn't hand me any money during Covid lockdown!

(And I haven't forgotten.)

TanaMa Thu 29-Jun-23 18:37:15

I don't enter into political 'discussions' as it is such an individual choice, however, I wonder how many if the people dismissing Boris Johnson's time as P.M. took the money he handed out during the covid lockdown! There were so many, like the Beckhams, who claimed money to pay staff! Who refused the money paid out for electricity bills? A lot if short memories!

varian Thu 29-Jun-23 18:20:38

Sunak was one of them GSM, and not just a voter but a vocal campaigner who still refuses to admit that brexit was based on lies.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 29-Jun-23 18:11:07

I deliberately didn’t mention Brexit because the argument would be raised that Cameron permitted the referendum and Johnson was heavily involved in the Leave movement. Nevertheless it has had an impact for which Sunak can’t be individually blamed. Those who are to blame are the mass of people who voted to leave. I wasn’t one of them.

cc Thu 29-Jun-23 18:05:47

Nandalot

Cameron didn’t negotiate the leaving deal.

No, you're right, sorry I didn't express myself right!
He went to the EU before the Brexit vote, as I understood it he went to discuss the way that various EU rules applied to the UK - one of which was open borders, as there was disquiet here about the results of unlimited migration into the UK.
He came home with nothing, some say this led to the Brexit vote. It has been suggested that if the EU had given an indication that the situation on immigration could have been eased, then the marginal vote for Brexit could have been changed to a vote against.

Keffie12 Thu 29-Jun-23 18:02:16

Plus Brexit - it hasn't caused all our problems. It's certainly made the country problems worse.

I have added this to the person/s who have only said Ukraine and Covid19

Iam64 Thu 29-Jun-23 16:41:06

I’ve seen no one blaming Sunak for our troubles. I always saw him as the best of the candidates
I’m putting responsibility on 12 years of Tory misrule but I accept I never have suppprted Tory policies

Ladyleftfieldlover Thu 29-Jun-23 15:46:21

Cameron ran away and hid in his shepherd’s hut.

Nandalot Thu 29-Jun-23 15:35:21

Cameron didn’t negotiate the leaving deal.

cc Thu 29-Jun-23 15:24:22

I'm not a rabid Sunac supporter but I can't see how he can be blamed for all of these ills. Economies all over the world are in trouble for various reasons including Covid. Much of the mortgage interest rate debacle is down to Truss' short-lived reign, when two ignorant non-economists tried to invent a new way of dealing with an economy struggling with the costs of Covid. Naturally they failed and in a fair world they would be prosecuted for the damage that they did.
It was Cameron who arrogantly assumed that the British public would not vote for Brexit and didn't bother to negotiate a better leaving deal.

cc Thu 29-Jun-23 15:19:00

Dynawritecat

Yes and now look at Thames Water. Privatisation of essential facilities should never have happened.

My husband was a civil engineer specialising in water and worked all over the world (including the UK) pre-privatisation. Thatcher ruined the industry, many of the new privatised companies tried to take over the consultancy work that competent engineers used to do and, almost without exception, lost a fortune as they didn't have staff who could do the work and had much higher management overheads.
Most of the old consultancies were taken over by the new water companies or merged with others, many of them from overseas. A huge chunk of our foreign earnings were lost, forever.
Thames Water is a prime example of the result of this policy.
These water companies pay huge salaries and bonuses to their board members, regardless of their competence. They're top-heavy with management and they have to pay dividends too. Sadly not enough of our payments for water have made their way into the system to pay for necessary updating.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 29-Jun-23 15:05:42

Unless he raises taxes very substantially, which he says he won’t do (as it won’t win votes), how he could do things differently I can’t imagine.

Romola Thu 29-Jun-23 14:50:01

I am no supporter of the Conservatives, but I don't think you can blame Sunak for all our current woes.
Brexit - he was a Leaver but now seems to be experiencing buyer's remorse and has made overtures to the EU.
Covid - not his fault that it happened but we await the Hallett report.
Ukraine - it seems to me that the UK has no alternative but to continue the financial and military support.
All this has had a devastating effect on the country's finances and it is clear that public services cannot fulfil their statutory obligations, while the poorest struggle to put food on the table.
I make no mention of the 1980s privatisations, the consequences of which are now clear.
And there's climate change.
Good luck, Keir

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 29-Jun-23 14:47:06

I reckon the financial support that Sunak has given to people and businesses during the pandemic and in the fuel and cost of living crises is quite an achievement - partly as chancellor and latterly as PM.