Court of appeal supports asylum seekers challenge

Germanshepherdsmum

A labour force containing people who don’t speak English, women with young children - who are you trying to kid wwm?

Hang on I thought it was supposed to be all Albanian men (and a few others) on the boats.
You don't need English to pick fruit or veg, but mixing in the community, shopping and working would help them to learn.
And some asylum seekers are people (including women) with degrees who speak excellent English. None of them are allowed to work although employers say they would employ them.
Of course working asylum seekers would deprive Braverman of the opportunity to give out the rising costs as a reason for exporting them to Rwanda.

Shouldn't have replied to GSM as that post was, no doubt mistakenly, on the wrong topic. Apologies.

Not shareholders GSM but the so called Market. It is corrupt and that corruption is aided by CEOs who know little about business but much about manipulating this corruption.

Some of the shareholders are Pension Companies. How can if be their fault?

So relating to whether Rwanda was a safe country.

Lord Chief Underhill

“There are substantial grounds for believing that there is a real risk that the asylum claims of (those transported to Rwanda) will be wrongly refused.

On the face of it, it would pear to follow that there was a real risk of them being refouled. Where an asylum seekers claim is rejected, the country in question will typically require them to leave the country, and since they are found to be no risk to the country they have (fled) there is no reason why they should not be returned to their country of origin”

Thus leaving them to their fate, and the reason they left in the first place.

How so? Upthread it was claimed (erroneously):that TW was borrowing to pay the shareholders. People do seem to have it in for the shareholders don’t they?

Germanshepherdsmum

A labour force containing people who don’t speak English, women with young children - who are you trying to kid wwm?

Oh dear, oh dear.

Germanshepherdsmum

Taxation doesn’t fund the water industry Wyllow.

No? It has certainly funded large payout to share-holders.

ronib

MaizieD have a little dig around - there’s more to this than covered by any newspaper.

Oh dear.

A labour force containing people who don’t speak English, women with young children - who are you trying to kid wwm?

Germanshepherdsmum

ronib

Iam64 desperately escaping from France is the issue ….

👏👏👏

What do the little slug mean, please

ronib

Ww2 - sorry I don’t understand. Is Libya aided by the UNHCR sending its refugees/displaced persons to Rwanda? It’s definitely sending them somewhere.

I have no idea, I suppose I could look but I do know that the judges looked at other governments who tried using Rwanda and failed.

Ww2 - sorry I don’t understand. Is Libya aided by the UNHCR sending its refugees/displaced persons to Rwanda? It’s definitely sending them somewhere.

Re QT.

Being a Tory voter does not make you anti-immigration.

Tories generally like to think of themselves as realists and fixers. We need certain skills and migrant labour to fix our labour shortage.

We have a captured (literally) labour market in the asylum seekers.

Obvious really.

NanKate

To my knowledge, and I could be wrong, the Labour Party have not said how they would deal with with this influx of asylum seekers.

I expect the Labour Party to be elected at the next General Election so I will be able to see if their solutions work.

I do hope by then Sir Keir Starmer can come up with a clear and accurate description of what a woman is.

They will tell us in more detail before the election. I see some of the long worked on Labour NHS plan has popped up this morning.

They really are like big kids this lot. Now copying someone else's homework. There are grown-up Conservatives but the kids will keep beating them up!

The Court of Appeal very much based its ruling on Rwanda’s asylum seekers policy, and how other countries had dealt with Rwanda and failed.

Post above muddled, please just read first part!

Oh and it was a Supreme Court ruling!

ronib

MaizieD the Supreme Court hasn’t taken into account that Libya sends asylum seekers to Rwanda? It is not therefore an untried system.

Wrong it has been tried and found very much wanting. Israel abandoned it. The judiciary in Rwanda are not politically independent and that is a real issue unlike ours who are and able therefore to make decisions based on THE RULE OF LAW, rather than political expediency.

Rwanda judiciary are overseen by the government.

Taxation doesn’t fund the water industry Wyllow.

MaizieD have a little dig around - there’s more to this than covered by any newspaper.

ronib

And you Iam64 clearly the left.

Perspective again. Over the years I have come to see Iam as left of centre. Obviously, if you are looking a long way from the right, that may seem further to the left.

It's always a good thing to know your own bias. It's those who really have no idea who help the extremists to do the damage.

I watch Question Time regularly including last night and it was definitely a "one off". Really quite extraordinary. I don't buy this "Afraid of being the first" because whats described above happens - questions asked, hands shoot up.

But it's perfectly possible to be "true blue" in general terms but this has been a "step too far", isnt it?

Given the fact that it is out of our taxes that the situation will have to be sorted out and we are looking at huge debts and payouts and generally speaking "true blue" doesn't support higher levels of taxation certainly not when it comes to what happens when they want to turn a tap on or enjoy unpolluted rives and beaches.

The UNHCR arranges flights out of Libya to accepting countries for refugees- the list of accepting countries is not that easy to find. It seems that the UNHCR finds Rwanda a safe place if newspapers here are accurately reporting that.

ronib

DAR well I hope that the extreme left can do likewise. It’s not helping this society to tackle any of its growing list of problems if everything is seen through the lens of left or right.

I have no wish to see the country swing to the extreme left R. I do understand that, because we have gone so far to the right, it may have to go a little further than my centrist, community views would want. But this will hopefully be in order, like a pendulum, to find the balanced middle ground.

You don't seem to have noticed that it is the Conservatives who are, still, in goverment. What are you suggesting any other party can do to put right 13 years of Tory misrule while they are in opposition?

Rwanda has a fairly recent history of shooting asylum seekers without due cause, trigger happy. They claim they've cleaned their act up but I dont believe them..
www.hrw.org/news/2019/02/23/rwanda-year-no-justice-refugee-killings