Court of appeal supports asylum seekers challenge

Woman who was randomly attacked by homeless Afghan immigrant, 23, who repeatedly punched her in the face and tried to smash down a door as she hid tells of her terror - as he is jailed for three years (Copied from today's Daily Mail) There a video of the terrifying attack.

We gave him a chance 😡

We have a desal plant here in Victoria, in Gippsland but , after a great cost, it is never used. I suppose if there’s is another drought down here it may get used. We had a 10 year drought at one stage which was very hard, many of us put tanks in so we could water the gardens etc. and catch what little rain we got.

In fairness Nanna8 there is a lot of irrigation in some areas of Australia where water is available, Saudi go to great lengths of desalinating a lot of water, at great expense of course

Talking of lack of rainfall, a bit by the way but we were in a part of South Australia that gets rain about once every 5 years and it actually started to spit. The whole pub emptied and they all rushed outside because it had been so long since they had seen any. I really don’t know how they could live, rationing etc all the time. We are not good at watering the desert areas, unlike Saudi Arabia and many Middle East countries. They just stay inhospitable as hectare upon hectare and thousands of miles of nothingness. Maybe the odd snake or lizard.

Casdon

To extrapolate and round up the figures though, Australia with a population of 26 million is taking 18,000 refugees and asylum seekers, whereas the UK, with a population of 67 million is taking 24,000. Per head of population Australia is taking well over double what the UK is taking.

Thanks, Casdon
I should have added that.

The differences between asylum seekers, migrants an refugees is explained in this link.

www.amnesty.org/en/what-we-do/refugees-asylum-seekers-and-migrants/

nanna8

Nauru island is no longer used and has been empty for some time. They are all here in Australia now. There are a few up in Papua New Guinea but that is a reasonably sized country.

And civilised too.

Katie59

nanna8

Nauru island is no longer used and has been empty for some time. They are all here in Australia now. There are a few up in Papua New Guinea but that is a reasonably sized country.

But the offshore detention policy remains as a deterrent Nauru has not been closed, it’s just empty.

Just out of interest do you live in Australia, Katie?

Oreo

Which does kind of show that a country needs a deterrent factor to stop boatloads of illegal immigrants from constantly arriving.

Sorry but how many times does it need to be said that asylum seekers are NOT illegal immigrants. It is not illegal to seek asylum. To seek asylum people have to get here, as the UK has not agreed to set up asylum processing centres in France. How can they claim asylum then? There are very few safe ways to get here, unless a process is set up as it was for people from the Ukraine and from Afghanistan. Even in those cases the process was available to far too few asylum seekers and badly organised.
The government is playing on the xenophobia, illustrated on this thread, and using false terms like the word 'illegal' to increase the resentment felt by British people for people seeking sanctuary here. It is our GOVERNMENT which is failing to operate the system efficiently; our GOVERNMENT which has wasted enormous amounts of tax payers' money on unworkable solutions; our GOVERNMENT which has run down the NHS education and Care by underfunding. It is very much 'divide and rule' going on here. They've got people believing that the NHS isn't working because of asylum seekers; that there aren't enough houses because of immigrants. It's a desperate attempt to get approval back, and it is being done on the backs of people who are escaping the most horrific circumstances; by defining them as illegal; by building massive metaphorical walls (Trumpian by any chance?); by deliberately using words like 'invasion', 'flood' etc.

Sorry I just couldn't help ranting; the comment further up about the Nazis using words like vermin to demonise Jewish people is spot on; this is happening again before our eyes.

DaisyAnneReturns

Nicenanny3

22:30Iam64

I’m particularly alienated by (not)nicegranny3’s suggestion that asylum seeker may = rapist.
Yes some asylum seekers will be predators but not the majority, this demonising/othering of desperate people is a sad reflection of the lack of compassion and understanding shown by some

The Rwanda proposal was always dreadful. Now it’s illegal thank goodness

*I beg your pardon another poster calling me names just because you don't like my post taken from a newspaper, well I'm sorry but it happened an illegal who came off a dingy only 40 days before and was being put up in a Hotel in Skegness courtesy of the UK taxpayers raped a girl, perhaps you don't like the truth and I did not say that all illegals coming over the channel having paid criminal gangs to get here are rapists but the facts are that the ones who have destroyed their paperwork/IDs we know nothing about and infact they could be convicted criminals, murderers, there are supposedly 19 suspected ISIS soldiers being put up in hotels God only knows why they haven't been deported. Perhaps instead of calling posters names you should get your head out of the sand*

I dread to think which paper you were quoting from. People cannot be "illegal" as I am sure you know by now. However an asylum seekers arrives, if the say they they are claiming assylum they have done nothing "illegal".

You caĺl yourself "nice" but the use of such language is the first step in ghettoising a group. We have seen this done in the past and doing it now makes those who use such language no better than those we did it in the past. They are certainly not "nice" people, whether grandparents or anything else.

Conflating the words "asylum seeker" with the word rapist as if they are one and the same is disgusting. It reflects the use of the word "vermin" against Jews in the 1930s which conditioned people to think their "extermination" was acceptable. In the past (at least I hope it is past) in the USA, the conflation of colour with the word "rapist" let to vigilante attacks and even lynchings.

I think simply saying that you are not being "nice" is the least anyone can expect when they pick up on these extremist attempts to manipulate a population.

Freedom of speech is a privilege, not a right. This type of propaganda destroys others human rights.

I agree with this too; well said DaisyAnneReturns

Nicenanny3

Australia is about 32 times bigger than the UK.

You know that’s a silly thing to say, don’t you? More than two-thirds of Australia receives less than 500 mm rain a year, and 40% of the land mass is deemed uninhabitable - a lot of the rest is barely so, which is why the majority of the population live near the coast.

It’s also uninhabitable in parts

Australia is about 32 times bigger than the UK.

To extrapolate and round up the figures though, Australia with a population of 26 million is taking 18,000 refugees and asylum seekers, whereas the UK, with a population of 67 million is taking 24,000. Per head of population Australia is taking well over double what the UK is taking.

Which does kind of show that a country needs a deterrent factor to stop boatloads of illegal immigrants from constantly arriving.

nanna8

Nauru island is no longer used and has been empty for some time. They are all here in Australia now. There are a few up in Papua New Guinea but that is a reasonably sized country.

But the offshore detention policy remains as a deterrent Nauru has not been closed, it’s just empty.

Nauru island is no longer used and has been empty for some time. They are all here in Australia now. There are a few up in Papua New Guinea but that is a reasonably sized country.

Callistemon21

^Try getting into countries like Australia and Canada to live and see how you get on with no money behind you^. 🤣🤣

Here's a link for your information, Primrose53, hope it helps.

www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/payment-for-refugees-and-asylum-seekers?context=60041#:~:text=As%20a%20refugee%20or%20humanitarian,disability%20and%20carer%20payments

The UK offered protection to 23,841 people (including dependants) in 2022
^In the 2022-23 financial year, the Australian Government is planning to issue 17,875 refugee and humanitarian visas^

Australia allows those payments to legal Assylum claimants until that is established all go to a tiny island and wait, it’s about the size of Alderney.
Economic migrants quickly realise home is not so bad after all.

nanna8

I wouldn’t come here for quids now if I was a migrant. It is probably one of the most expensive countries in the world, huge house prices, huge food prices but not huge wages, unlike expensive places like Denmark which have very high wages. When I hear prices in the UK I realise just how expensive it has become!

And yet minimum wages for casual workers are higher than the UK, with superannuation contributions and holiday pay added on too.
I know that lack of affordable housing is a problem in cities but rents are comparable with the UK.

Yes I was cheered by the Lord's Amendments. I was trying out of interest to finds without success if any Conservative peers backed them.

I wouldn’t come here for quids now if I was a migrant. It is probably one of the most expensive countries in the world, huge house prices, huge food prices but not huge wages, unlike expensive places like Denmark which have very high wages. When I hear prices in the UK I realise just how expensive it has become!

Lords amendments

Try getting into countries like Australia and Canada to live and see how you get on with no money behind you. 🤣🤣

Here's a link for your information, Primrose53, hope it helps.

www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/payment-for-refugees-and-asylum-seekers?context=60041#:~:text=As%20a%20refugee%20or%20humanitarian,disability%20and%20carer%20payments

The UK offered protection to 23,841 people (including dependants) in 2022
In the 2022-23 financial year, the Australian Government is planning to issue 17,875 refugee and humanitarian visas

Iam64

Primrose53

Siope

Once more for those at the back: if there were effective safe routes available there would be no need for people smugglers/small boats.

How patronising! Many if us don’t want safe routes we want controlled immigration. We want to choose who comes here.

And - rather than dismissing the facts, that families pool resources to support a young, fit man to make the perilous journey, why not demonise those young men. Claim they abandoned their country and family to be an ‘economic migrant’

I saw a wonderful art installation at a museum in Berlin. The work detailed the journey taken by one 18 year old Syrian man. His family pooled resources, hoping he could reach the UK where other family members had settled. His description of the terror experienced with smuggling gangs, with people ready to exploit and rib him, was chilling.
I don’t believe it’s my job to ‘choose who comes here’
My job is to pay my taxes and do what I can to support those fleeing war and famine

Then all the family are well off, not the poor people you try to portray. I can hand on heart tell you if I wanted my extended family to club together and raise money for me I would not get anywhere like the amounts they are paying people smugglers.

They’re not fleeing war and famine when they come from France or Albania! I pay my taxes and, like millions of others I still believe what this country needs is controlled immigration.

Try getting into countries like Australia and Canada to live and see how you get on with no money behind you. 🤣🤣

Primrose53

Siope

Once more for those at the back: if there were effective safe routes available there would be no need for people smugglers/small boats.

How patronising! Many if us don’t want safe routes we want controlled immigration. We want to choose who comes here.

And - rather than dismissing the facts, that families pool resources to support a young, fit man to make the perilous journey, why not demonise those young men. Claim they abandoned their country and family to be an ‘economic migrant’

I saw a wonderful art installation at a museum in Berlin. The work detailed the journey taken by one 18 year old Syrian man. His family pooled resources, hoping he could reach the UK where other family members had settled. His description of the terror experienced with smuggling gangs, with people ready to exploit and rib him, was chilling.
I don’t believe it’s my job to ‘choose who comes here’
My job is to pay my taxes and do what I can to support those fleeing war and famine