Fawcett Society's Victory for Women

Mollygo

Glorianny

OMG this toilet obsession is taking over. Think I'm going to count how many times I have to use a toilet which is shared by men. Let's see on recent holiday, on train, on plane, in at least 3 cafes. What do you do if you want a women only one? Use a she-wee????

Like the obsession with cats and teachers on different threads, it’s mentioned because it’s important.
It wasn’t important until males started accessing female toilets whilst claiming to be women, but by their actions making it perfectly clear that they were men.
Those were the days.
If you want to count your toilet visits . . . that could really be counted as an obsession.

I just wondered Mollygo what all those demanding women only toilets they felt safe in did on journeys or when there weren't any. I would imagine they use the same one as men. So there's the solution. No segregated toilets, all mixed, opening out into public areas, with wash basin inside. Problem solved!

Glorianny

OMG this toilet obsession is taking over. Think I'm going to count how many times I have to use a toilet which is shared by men. Let's see on recent holiday, on train, on plane, in at least 3 cafes. What do you do if you want a women only one? Use a she-wee????

Like the obsession with cats and teachers on different threads, it’s mentioned because it’s important.
It wasn’t important until males started accessing female toilets whilst claiming to be women, but by their actions making it perfectly clear that they were men.
Those were the days.
If you want to count your toilet visits . . . that could really be counted as an obsession.

OMG this toilet obsession is taking over. Think I'm going to count how many times I have to use a toilet which is shared by men. Let's see on recent holiday, on train, on plane, in at least 3 cafes. What do you do if you want a women only one? Use a she-wee????

Doodledog, I was interested in your change of opinion of Amnesty International. I hadn't noticed anything untoward. I will though have a look at Freedom from Torture, thanks.

Well said Molly.

Smileless2012

^Why should a woman do something she finds unacceptable because men are making women do anything^ why indeed Glorianny.

Including sharing toilets with men, because men think they should have to do so.
Absolutely Glorianny!

Of course it would and actually I didn’t suggest they should remove their hijabs.

maddyone

There is a problem for some women that the men in the family insist that their women wear the hijib. We should not assume that all women wear it because they want to because unfortunately that is not true for all women.
I do find it difficult when I see children aged five or six wearing hijabs. Children do not need to cover themselves for any reason in my opinion. They are not sexual objects and nor are they mature enough to be making a religious choice.

Of course it isn't a choice for all women. However asking those who are dominated by the men in their family to remove their hijab is just as unreasonable. Doing such a thing might cause the men to abuse them even more.

There is a problem for some women that the men in the family insist that their women wear the hijib. We should not assume that all women wear it because they want to because unfortunately that is not true for all women.
I do find it difficult when I see children aged five or six wearing hijabs. Children do not need to cover themselves for any reason in my opinion. They are not sexual objects and nor are they mature enough to be making a religious choice.

Why should a woman do something she finds unacceptable because men are making women do anything why indeed Glorianny.

eazybee

^Some women choose to wear the hijab. In the UK wearing it is a personal choice no one is forcing women to do it. Expecting them to remove it because you don't find it acceptable is just as restrictive as insisting they wear one.^

You do like to jump to conclusions, don't you?
I don't see any mention in my post of me saying that I don't find wearing the hijab acceptable.

I am saying that women here who wear hijabs should remove them as a means of protest to show solidarity with women in Afghanistan who do not have the freedom to choose, and suffer appalling treatment if they object.

If you don't understand that asking women to do that is just as restrictive and unacceptable as insisting that they do wear it, you simply don't understand personal choice. I notice you failed to reproduce the part of my post about women in the UK being subjected to abuse BECAUSE they wear the hijab.
Why should a woman do something she finds unacceptable because men are making other women do any thing?

Some women choose to wear the hijab. In the UK wearing it is a personal choice no one is forcing women to do it. Expecting them to remove it because you don't find it acceptable is just as restrictive as insisting they wear one.

You do like to jump to conclusions, don't you?
I don't see any mention in my post of me saying that I don't find wearing the hijab acceptable.

I am saying that women here who wear hijabs should remove them as a means of protest to show solidarity with women in Afghanistan who do not have the freedom to choose, and suffer appalling treatment if they object.

I always think that everyone should ignore Clarkson, like a naughty toddler. He just does it for attention, and would probably stop if people just rolled their collective eyes and left him to it.

The trouble is that there are (some) men who think he 'just says what others are thinking', so wouldn't join in the ignoring.

No time for the sexist, ignorant views of a boor like Clarkson. Vile man.

Mollygo

That’s exactly what I’m trying to say, but about single sex toilets. Expecting the removal of single sex toilets just because some people don’t find it acceptable instead of providing unisex toilets in addition is restrictive.

Yes, and the removal of single sex facilities is obviously detrimental to women whose religious beliefs preclude sharing them with men, which is why I can't reconcile the insistence on doing so with feminism.

That’s exactly what I’m trying to say, but about single sex toilets. Expecting the removal of single sex toilets just because some people don’t find it acceptable instead of providing unisex toilets in addition is restrictive.

Women should wear what they want to wear. Full stop.

That's a good point Glorianny although there maybe women here in the UK who are forced by their family to comply with cultural tradition.

No one should be abused and ridiculed for wearing them.

maddyone

One of the things we, as the general public, can do, is vote with our feet and our money. So we don’t go on holiday to states where women’s rights are few, or indeed, human rights are few. We have never been to Dubai for example nor any Arab state unless you count Turkey, but I don’t count them, and anyway that’s a secular state. But it’s a fine line isn’t it, because some countries need the trade to develop. Nonetheless I don’t suppose Afghanistan will be missing our holiday trade since no one has a burning desire to holiday there, and so we are left with nothing, we can do nothing. Only our state can apply sanctions, that’s the most that can be done.

Turkey has one of the worst human rights records in the world. It may appear as a secular westernised country but it really isn't.
www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/turkey-imprisoned-journalists-and-human-rights-defenders-risk-coronavirus-must?utm_source=google&utm_medium=grant&utm_campaign=AWA_GEN_coronavirus-dynamic-search-ads&utm_content=&gclid=CjwKCAjw44mlBhAQEiwAqP3eViJzAMpu9CtNQw1Cw5xSIrv22AYkUx2j0m9bT8JtMGcxZTiz--2-6RoCaQcQAvD_BwE

eazybee

I would suggest that all the women wearing the hijab in Britain at present remove it.
A visual protest.

Some women choose to wear the hijab. In the UK wearing it is a personal choice no one is forcing women to do it. Expecting them to remove it because you don't find it acceptable is just as restrictive as insisting they wear one.
I've heard Muslim women speak about this and they are often abused and ridiculed in this country for their choice.

Mollygo

I listened to an item on banks closing accounts-that could affect you, your family etc. They were mostly talking about PEP and money laundering. When banks and building societies start closing accounts on the grounds of “I don’t like what you’re saying even if it isn’t against the law” then that’s discrimination-which they’re claiming to be against.

Yes, I doubt that Farage had his account closed for his dubious political views. Donations from proscribed sources on the other hand. . .

Amnesty used to be an apolitical group who concentrated solely of releasing prisoners of conscience, and I supported it for years until it developed policies of its own, and I cancelled my subscription in favour of Freedom From Torture.

I listened to an item on banks closing accounts-that could affect you, your family etc. They were mostly talking about PEP and money laundering. When banks and building societies start closing accounts on the grounds of “I don’t like what you’re saying even if it isn’t against the law” then that’s discrimination-which they’re claiming to be against.

Pjcpjc77

Whatever happened to free speech?
Are we all no longer allowed our personal thoughts on any subject?
Perhaps you think it would be better if we lived under a dictatorship regime.

Free speech is great. Free speech that breaks racism law or can be construed as bullying is not.
What you can say to your friends in the pub may not be appropriate for publishing in a national newspaper. Isn't that what IPSO is for?

Those men see women as second class citizens and the last thing they want is for their women to be educated.