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Fifteen year old girl who killed her newborn baby

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BlueBelle Tue 04-Jul-23 18:58:57

I tend to agree with GSM ( unusual I know 😂) and beetlejuice when I read more about it, she killed him very violently throwing him on the floor breaking his skull then stuffing cotton wool down his throat putting his little body in a black bin bag and leaving it outside the house door The little baby is believed to have been alive for two hours and the post mortem showed he had cried, his injuries were similar to someone in a very bad car accident It was murder
She was obviously a very troubled child and needs help more than prison but should she be out and about to perhaps have another baby !!
I m not sure how I feel about this girl

Casdon Tue 04-Jul-23 18:52:19

I feel for her mother. Looking after your dying husband, then finding the corpse of your daughter’s baby must have been horrendous for her. The greatest shame is that the girl said that she “accepted that she had a family who would have supported her." The sentence seems harsh but that may be because we know none of the other circumstances, nor the girl’s mental state.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 04-Jul-23 18:48:56

She was charged with murder, not infanticide. Different crimes.

Foxygloves Tue 04-Jul-23 18:46:11

I always thought that infanticide was no longer treated as murder
The Infanticide Act is the name of two 20th-century acts in English law that started treating the killing of an infant child by its mother during the early months of life as a lesser crime than murder
The maximum penalty for infanticide is life imprisonment. However, in practice a non-custodial sentence is usually the outcome

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 04-Jul-23 18:45:43

Ilovecheese were they instances of manslaughter? It very much sounds like it. Murder is deliberate and premeditated.

rafichagran Tue 04-Jul-23 18:44:10

I think the sentance is harsh.

Beetlejuice Tue 04-Jul-23 18:42:36

I was 100% sympathetic with her until I read how she'd killed her baby. He must have suffered terribly in his 60 minutes of life.

Ilovecheese Tue 04-Jul-23 18:39:51

A man strangles his wife because he is fed up of lockdown after a few days - sentenced to five years.
A man strangles his girlfriend during so called "rough sex" - sentenced to four years.
Something seriously scewed in our justice system.

Ilovecheese Tue 04-Jul-23 18:37:56

Yes, let us hope that there is an appeal. Poor girl,

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 04-Jul-23 18:12:25

She was found guilty of murder and that carries a mandatory life sentence. A life sentence cannot be suspended but the judge can decide on a minimum tariff. Far more evidence than is contained in that short report would have been heard so we are not able to comment usefully, purely emotionally. According to the report she concealed her pregnancy so who was supposed to help her? My sympathy lies with the poor baby.

Shelflife Tue 04-Jul-23 18:01:33

I felt exactly the same , the poor girl!
Being in custody will be very harmful for her. A shocking outcome , yes let's hope for a review and a greatly reduced sentence, she needs care, professional help and compassion.

winterwhite Tue 04-Jul-23 17:57:14

I read this and could scarcely believe the judge's decision. This poor girl is of no risk to anyone. She needs care, and she needs to finish her education and receive some sort of training. Custody is no place for her.

Esmay Tue 04-Jul-23 17:55:04

This girl needs a lot of help not a lengthy prison sentence .

I hope that she gets psychiatric help , an education and a reduced sentence .

Grammaretto Tue 04-Jul-23 17:48:16

It's ghastly. As you say where's the compassion. Where's the understanding?
I thought infanticide was not a custodial offence.

After all, who is in danger from this girl now?

sally45 Tue 04-Jul-23 17:47:46

I so agree, hearbreaking really. she`s scarred already and 12 years will break her Poor little thing.

mostlyharmless Tue 04-Jul-23 17:42:10

I find this case really shocking. A vulnerable, neglected, terrified fifteen year old girl killed her baby after giving birth by herself.
The judge said she knew she was in labour, so must have planned to kill the baby therefore the killing was pre-meditated.
She was sentenced to serve a minimum of twelve years in prison.
She was a fifteen year girl, a child, in denial about the pregnancy, scared and alone. Her separated parents had major problems of their own. Her father was on dialysis in the same house and died days later.
The jury found her guilty of murder.
Where is the humanity here? Twelve years in prison!
Where was the support from school or social services? Somebody should have been aware that she was not in a stable family situation, even if they weren’t aware of the pregnancy.
A tragic case made worse by a heavy handed Judge. I can’t believe this is justice in today’s Britain.

Paris Mayo guilty of murdering son hours after birth www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-65999897