Going back into Europe

Urmstongran Poland is also trying to see if they can have a referendum regarding some of the EU laws (particularly immigration) at the same time as the election in October.

Apparently it’s causing a headache as the ballot box for a referendum has to open an hour before the election starts and finishes an hour later.

MaizieD

Smileless2012

I think you're right MiniMoon, taking on the euro would be a huge stumbling block and open boarders wouldn't be popular with many either.

All you have to do is engage to 'work towards' joining the euro.Sweden has been doing it for along time now, apparently..

Losing our sovereign currency would be a huge mistake.

Apart from that I'd say 'rejoin' like a shot.

That's interesting Maizie. Another useful nugget.

From my position on the fence (I now have a cushion) my feeling is there is no point in the shall we/shan't we regarding rejoining. We can't currently.

Closer union without rejoining would/should be good for all and certainly for our economy. The time when we are seen fit, as the third nation we decided to be, to join the EU, parliament will decide, because that is our democracy. We certainly do not need another referendum, although we could chose to restructure that democracy.

Ah, teh Rejoiners DREAM and LIES. The Pound never collapsewd against the Dollar and in fact appreciated against the Dollar whilst the EURo collapsed to Parity. The Eurozone is in RECESSION but not the UK. We saved Billions by not being in the EU and Our food Inflation is LOWER than the E.U. Only a tiny Minority want to rejoin the E.U.

I very much doubt it will happen on various grounds:

Do you really think there is a majority in the UK for re-joining EU?

Can either the UK or the EU really afford, given what Brexit has cost to spend the same kind of money on admitting the UK to the EU again?

Does Britain even fulfill the standards required with regards to energy, carbon emissions, commitment to outphasing diesel and petrol vehicles as soon as possible, combatting climate change, and all the other standards that applicants are expected to conform to?

Can the EU afford to let people join and leave at will then rejoin when they realise it was a mistake to leave?

Can't see us being made particularly welcome or getting the good deal we were already enjoying as well as keeping the £. Even so, I'd like to rejoin as I've lived and worked abroad and watched my children's opportunities for work, study, cultural exchange and easy travel reduced significantly when we left. It's made us all poorer.

Trurider1

Ah, teh Rejoiners DREAM and LIES. The Pound never collapsewd against the Dollar and in fact appreciated against the Dollar whilst the EURo collapsed to Parity. The Eurozone is in RECESSION but not the UK. We saved Billions by not being in the EU and Our food Inflation is LOWER than the E.U. Only a tiny Minority want to rejoin the E.U.

Can you back up those claims please?

Zoe65

Well why don’t you go live in an eu country if you love it so much .

It's not that I want to go and live there or indeed 'love it so much'... but I'd like myself, my children and grandchildren to have that choice, as we used to have, without visas, red tape, medical insurance etc etc. I worked in Paris as a young woman and it definitely opened my mind and horizons and enriched my life... I just went there.... hassle free.

Visiting and living in other countries is valuable in so many ways. It keeps a person open to new ideas, embrace different approaches to living , cultures etc. which ultimately makes for a more tolerant and peaceful society. When this option becomes more difficult people don't do it as much.

I don't think we should rejoin Europe. If everyone in the media stopped blaming all our woes on Brexit I think people would embrace being independent.

Nagmad2016

I don't think we should rejoin Europe. If everyone in the media stopped blaming all our woes on Brexit I think people would embrace being independent.

Sadly a lot of our woes are due to Brexit. Particularly our current government...

Trurider1

Ah, teh Rejoiners DREAM and LIES. The Pound never collapsewd against the Dollar and in fact appreciated against the Dollar whilst the EURo collapsed to Parity. The Eurozone is in RECESSION but not the UK. We saved Billions by not being in the EU and Our food Inflation is LOWER than the E.U. Only a tiny Minority want to rejoin the E.U.

So what is a truth in this post

Only a tiny Minority want to rejoin the E.U.

In the latest poll I can find by Toby Helm of The Observer, dated Sun 28 May 2023 07.00 BST, he says:
A clear majority of British voters now favours building closer relations with the European Union, according to new polling that highlights a dramatic reversal in the tide of public opinion since Brexit.

Even in those constituencies that recorded the highest votes to leave the EU in 2016, more than twice as many voters now believe the best route forward is to move in the opposite direction – and forge closer ties with Brussels.

The claims in this post have not only not been verified, they seem to be untruths. Perhaps you could back your argumentcwith some facts Trurider1.

I’d like to see actual documented proof that we would be better off in the EU - that and proportional representation at the next election.

Nagmad2016

I don't think we should rejoin Europe. If everyone in the media stopped blaming all our woes on Brexit I think people would embrace being independent.

Why would people stop telling the truth Nagmad2016?

TiggyW

I’d like to see actual documented proof that we would be better off in the EU - that and proportional representation at the next election.

Where are all the new posters coming from? Have I missed something?

keep in mind it’s an economic club
It was until the Maastricht treaty was signed: then it turned political.

DaisyAnneReturns

TiggyW

I’d like to see actual documented proof that we would be better off in the EU - that and proportional representation at the next election.

Where are all the new posters coming from? Have I missed something?

That’s what I wondered. This has happened before. Are they bots?

On the balance of probabilities of this happening, and by the way I voted to stay in, I would certainly show extreme caution no matter who got us back into the EU.
We all have to remember the perfect storm post EU nobody could have predicted the Pandemic and the millions of lives it took, and I certainly don't think whoever was leading whatever party at that time would have got it all correct. We should concentrate on how our health service had been decimated not just by this government but previous one's too.
We have far more urgent issues to be addressed than the EU and a possible return.

Trurider1

Ah, teh Rejoiners DREAM and LIES. The Pound never collapsewd against the Dollar and in fact appreciated against the Dollar whilst the EURo collapsed to Parity. The Eurozone is in RECESSION but not the UK. We saved Billions by not being in the EU and Our food Inflation is LOWER than the E.U. Only a tiny Minority want to rejoin the E.U.

Re your first claim: can you please explain then how my US income (a fixed US$ amount) was worth one third more in UK£ in September 2022 than it was in March 2022?

Honestly I’m not sure why the brexiters are in such a panic.

We are not going to rejoin very soon, and probably not in our lifetimes - if you are as old as me☺️, but I suspect there will be closer working - it is inevitable - this government has already started the ball rolling and Tory MPs are calling for closer working.

It is no big deal - the only difference you will notice are cheaper prices and full shelves together with jit back again which can only be good.

Mind you I don’t think that the next generation will tolerate brexit and will almost certainly rejoining asap

Whitewavemark2

Honestly I’m not sure why the brexiters are in such a panic.

We are not going to rejoin very soon, and probably not in our lifetimes - if you are as old as me☺️, but I suspect there will be closer working - it is inevitable - this government has already started the ball rolling and Tory MPs are calling for closer working.

It is no big deal - the only difference you will notice are cheaper prices and full shelves together with jit back again which can only be good.

I agree. The tone seems a bit anachronistic. I thought we had moved on from there.

YES, rejoin as soon as we can and no, I am under no obligation to give sensible reasons why I feel so, because BREXIT was won on lies, dog-whistle slogans, and industrial scale bombardment from Prigozhin's troll factories.

Maremia

YES, rejoin as soon as we can and no, I am under no obligation to give sensible reasons why I feel so, because BREXIT was won on lies, dog-whistle slogans, and industrial scale bombardment from Prigozhin's troll factories.

🙂

Trurider1

Ah, teh Rejoiners DREAM and LIES. The Pound never collapsewd against the Dollar and in fact appreciated against the Dollar whilst the EURo collapsed to Parity. The Eurozone is in RECESSION but not the UK. We saved Billions by not being in the EU and Our food Inflation is LOWER than the E.U. Only a tiny Minority want to rejoin the E.U.

Food inflation is currently higher in the UK than the EU - although there may be a few individual countries with higher levels
www.bbc.com/news/business-65962497

The "real" inflation figure in the UK is a bit distorted though because of the way supermarket contracts work in Britain. Remember earlier in the year when there were no tomatoes or peppers in the shops in the UK - because there was a shortage - other EU countries did not have empty shelves because the price was allowed to rise temporarily and is now falling again.

Pjcpjc77

On the balance of probabilities of this happening, and by the way I voted to stay in, I would certainly show extreme caution no matter who got us back into the EU.
We all have to remember the perfect storm post EU nobody could have predicted the Pandemic and the millions of lives it took, and I certainly don't think whoever was leading whatever party at that time would have got it all correct. We should concentrate on how our health service had been decimated not just by this government but previous one's too.
We have far more urgent issues to be addressed than the EU and a possible return.

The NHS is not being helped by the inability to recruit staff after the government ended freedom of movement for workers

Well said pjcpjc77!

We won’t rejoin any time soon. We’d lose so much including the £. We’re still paying off the EU but once that’s done we’ll be better off financially.