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Bonus Holes..as an alternative to a vagina.

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DiamondLily Sun 09-Jul-23 09:36:42

From a Woman's charity, dedicated to women's health,

What a revolting name, for a vagina. Who thinks up this nonsense?šŸ™„

Julie Bindell has written an article for the DM:

"As holes go, they are arguably the most important in the world. Every man and woman ever to have lived – except those born by caesarean section – has sprung forth into this world from one.

And yet a charity dedicated to women's health, Jo's Cervical Cancer Trust, is suggesting that the word 'vagina' could be referred to as the 'bonus hole' to avoid offending or excluding trans men or 'non-binary' people.

As a feminist campaigner, I am appalled. I've spent time over the decades trying to raise awareness among women about our bodies.

I've encouraged women to unlearn the shame associated with our biology.

So the idea that we should stop referring to the vagina by its name is grossly offensive.

I grew up absorbing the message that our bodies were dirty.

We would use euphemisms to describe its parts, because 'vagina' and even 'breast' were considered unpleasant.

I recall, back in the Eighties, buying tampons only to have the shopkeeper quickly put the box in a brown paper bag as if it were a porn magazine. But we feminists learned to take pride in our physical form.

I would shake the tampons out of the bag to make the point that I was not ashamed of menstruating. After all, it's a reality for half the population.

It's worth noting that this form of McCarthyite censorship is reserved for descriptions of female anatomy only. That's why this is nothing short of misogyny.

There is no such suggestion, of course, to swap words that men use to describe their biology.

Perhaps, to be fair, we should change 'penis' to 'flesh roll' to avoid offending trans women? I'm sure men won't object. Just a thought."

www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-12278639/JULIE-BINDEL-says-womens-health-charity-guilty-short-misogyny-again.html

catladyuk Sun 09-Jul-23 11:24:33

i'm just lost for words, it is utter stupidity. how long is this ridiculous woke, not wanting to offend etc going to last, when are 'they' going to realise how pointless it all is?

DiamondLily Sun 09-Jul-23 11:36:03

Surely it's counterproductive anyway.

No biological male, whatever he identifies as, is ever going to need a cervical smear, vaginal scan or anything like a hysterectomy.

Those things are exclusive to biological females.

Amy biological male trying to go for a cervical smear is not going to get very far with it...šŸ™„

There's also the point that a health charity needs to be relatable to all cultures of females.

Anyone who doesn't speak English, as a first language, is likely to be more confused. Most people recognise long standing female organ terms - who on earth would relate to a "bonus hole"?

This just undermines femininity - biological women are entitled to their descriptors not being changed on some crazy whim of misogynists. šŸ™

pascal30 Sun 09-Jul-23 11:38:54

I'm getting so tired of this rubbish... and such a revolting name suggestion too. Bonus for who?

Witzend Sun 09-Jul-23 11:43:32

I think I’ll stick to good old ā€˜fanny’, thanks.

Elegran Sun 09-Jul-23 11:53:32

Someone posted that the term is meant for woman-to-man trans people, who don't actually want to have/keep a vagina, so if that is true, and they want to call their corresponding orifice something else, then fair enough, but they can't get away from the fact that whatever they call it, it is a vagina.

It sounds horrible, though, on a par with a coal-hole for shovelling coal into. Maybe that is part of shedding any vestige of their female selves in favour of macho crudity?

Witzend Sun 09-Jul-23 11:55:13

Aveline

'flesh roll' šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

ā€˜Sausage’ might be apt. You could add the colour, e.g. ā€˜vaguely purple sausage’.

Not that I’m suggesting it, but I do remember one Christmas my usually very proper mother extracting the big turkey neck from the bag of giblets, and saying to my newly married sister, ā€˜What does this remind you of?’ - and then collapsing in hysterics. šŸ˜‚

TerriBull Sun 09-Jul-23 11:56:12

So utterly insulting and contentious is such a euphemism, it's hard not to imagine that we haven't wandered back into some God awful 1970s time warp. I sometimes feel that some of the aggressive faction of the trans movement are so deeply misogynistic together with the women who would seek to facilitate their war against natal women, that there isn't a lot of difference between them and an old school misogynist such as Jim Davidson.

Elegran Sun 09-Jul-23 12:07:09

In my post at Sun 09-Jul-23 11:53:32, for "shovelling coal" please substitute "shovelling nutty slack".

Ziplok Sun 09-Jul-23 12:16:17

It’s time this nonsense was stopped. It really is an insult to every female in the world. Who do these individuals think they are? This woke business is really going too far, and it seems to me, is aimed primarily at biological females. Such derogatory terminology does not seem to be applied acceptingly to biological male anatomy, but it seems perfectly acceptable to insult females with such ridiculous terms.
It’s getting to the point where we don’t know what to say in case it is suddenly an insulting term but this is absurd and disgusting.
Enough is enough.

Shelflife Sun 09-Jul-23 12:16:36

I despair too! I really don't understand . There appears to be an undercurrent of something sinister happening - it scares me ! Why is this nonsense directed at women? Chest feeders, bonus holes, people with a cervix!!!!!!!😔😔😔😔
What the hell is happening? I too am a woman with a vagina and I did not chest feed my babies, I breast fed them . There is a section of society out to eradicate woman hood - should we worry? We most certainly should!!!!

westendgirl Sun 09-Jul-23 12:24:46

Time to stand up and shout out we are women with breasts,
vaginas and clitoris .
Stop trying to deny us.

Urmstongran Sun 09-Jul-23 12:26:33

Ugh. Beyond awful.

ā€œI was a woman and now I’m a man so while you’re fiddling around down there lovey you may discover I have a bonus hole.ā€

Stop the world I want to get off ...

spottybook Sun 09-Jul-23 12:27:27

I couldn’t stop laughing when I read the article yesterday and thought ā€œyou cannot be seriousā€. After my initial reaction and realising they were indeed serious I feel outraged that we women have been reduced to having bonus holes. A vagina is a vagina not a bonus hole or even the more passive front bottom as a lot of people like to call it.

The term is so degrading and derogatory to women - woke gone mad.

DamaskRose Sun 09-Jul-23 12:34:15

A bonus hole???!!! Everyday something more bizarre turns up and people think it’s acceptable! I am a woman with all the things already mentioned. Do trans people actually want this name??

TerriBull Sun 09-Jul-23 12:39:07

Recent pictures of a trans woman chest feeding, a task that would at first seem impossible until a cocktail of drugs were listed to facilitate that, which begs the question how would those affect the baby? It was also noted that the trans woman described them selves as a "mum" and not a birth giver, so it seems a mum is acceptable in certain instances, but not others. "Curious and curiouser" remarked Alice, although at least she woke up and found the bizarre world that made little sense down the rabbit hole was just a dream, if only! hmm

Jaberwok Sun 09-Jul-23 12:48:17

Oh my goodness, bonus hole?!! That is absolutely disgusting and deeply offends me and a good proportion of biological women and girls. Why don't our feelings matter? Why are the feelings of a certain number of people all that matter and ours don't? Actually I'm almost speechless with indignation and disgust. YUK!

Smileless2012 Sun 09-Jul-23 12:49:03

Definition of the noun bonus is something in addition to what is expected or strictly due. So, if a trans man has a vagina bearing in mind that he was born a she, why is that an addition?

I suppose it could be unexpected if someone thought they were a biological male.

When I saw the title of this thread, my first thought was 'a bonus to who?' Is it a bonus to a trans man to retain their vagina and if so why?

VioletSky Sun 09-Jul-23 12:49:44

Just letting you all know that the truth of this story is that it's a term for some patients (for example trans men who do not want a vagina) to choose if they prefer it and not a term being applied to all women in any way.

Also there is no term for men as in general as men do not get cervical cancer. Only trans men are at risk of cervical cancer.

Completely embeleshed nonsense from the Daily Mail and no need for women to be offended

grandtanteJE65 Sun 09-Jul-23 12:52:34

How unbearably crude!

Why not just refer to the whole woman as a hole - as only the coarsest Glaswegian man did in my youth, and only when talking to another man.

A vagina is a vagina, irrespective of whether it is ever used for bringing a child into the world or not.

So surely one made during a sex-change operation is just as much a vagina, as the one I was born with.

People may in their private lives call it whatever they want, but medical professionals, charities, or anyone else who in their dealings with the general public might need to mention a vagina or a penis should, in my candid opinion, stick to these two well-known, decent terms.

Oh, and from the pedant's point of view, it is hardly bonus - most of us came into this world equipped with ours and use it for the functions it is designed for.

Skydancer Sun 09-Jul-23 12:53:01

I've never heard such absolute nonsense in all my life. Personally I'm sick to death of constantly hearing about things related to bodies which have been the same for thousands, if not millions, of years - and we've all managed. I'm sick of woke, political correctness, menopause issues, gender issues ... for goodness sake aren't there more pressing things to worry about.

Smileless2012 Sun 09-Jul-23 12:58:38

If a trans man doesn't want a vagina, they can have a surgical procedure to have it removed (vaginectomy) and a reconstruction of a uretha and penis.

So why is there a need to rename it? A vagina by any other name is a vagina.

Iam64 Sun 09-Jul-23 12:59:16

Violet, I understand your point and couldn’t disagree more. Bonus hole sounds disgustingly like yet another orifice women can have penetrated.

If you don’t see the offence, nothing anyone says will change that.

Iam64 Sun 09-Jul-23 13:01:13

Children and adults being interviewed about sexual offences have endless different names for their ā€˜private parts’. We really don’t need to introduce this nonsense to already complex work

PaperMonster Sun 09-Jul-23 13:09:47

This nonsense seriously has to stop. Also one of the menstrual products brands is referring to women as women+ to try and be inclusive. If you not angry, then you’re not listening.

VioletSky Sun 09-Jul-23 13:15:36

Iam64

Violet, I understand your point and couldn’t disagree more. Bonus hole sounds disgustingly like yet another orifice women can have penetrated.

If you don’t see the offence, nothing anyone says will change that.

The truth is it doesn't refer to women at all

Women are not impacted by this

I am not sure trans men will choose this term either

So a non issue

But obviously the trans debate needs more wood chucked on to keep the fire burning so that everyone can lose their minds about yet another lie

This is why these threads are not for me.