From a Woman's charity, dedicated to women's health,
What a revolting name, for a vagina. Who thinks up this nonsense?đ
Julie Bindell has written an article for the DM:
"As holes go, they are arguably the most important in the world. Every man and woman ever to have lived â except those born by caesarean section â has sprung forth into this world from one.
And yet a charity dedicated to women's health, Jo's Cervical Cancer Trust, is suggesting that the word 'vagina' could be referred to as the 'bonus hole' to avoid offending or excluding trans men or 'non-binary' people.
As a feminist campaigner, I am appalled. I've spent time over the decades trying to raise awareness among women about our bodies.
I've encouraged women to unlearn the shame associated with our biology.
So the idea that we should stop referring to the vagina by its name is grossly offensive.
I grew up absorbing the message that our bodies were dirty.
We would use euphemisms to describe its parts, because 'vagina' and even 'breast' were considered unpleasant.
I recall, back in the Eighties, buying tampons only to have the shopkeeper quickly put the box in a brown paper bag as if it were a porn magazine. But we feminists learned to take pride in our physical form.
I would shake the tampons out of the bag to make the point that I was not ashamed of menstruating. After all, it's a reality for half the population.
It's worth noting that this form of McCarthyite censorship is reserved for descriptions of female anatomy only. That's why this is nothing short of misogyny.
There is no such suggestion, of course, to swap words that men use to describe their biology.
Perhaps, to be fair, we should change 'penis' to 'flesh roll' to avoid offending trans women? I'm sure men won't object. Just a thought."
www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-12278639/JULIE-BINDEL-says-womens-health-charity-guilty-short-misogyny-again.html
I learned recently that my 12 year old granddaughter was told that was the âbaby holeâ.
Does that mean our mouths are food holes and that we have wee holes, hearing holes, poo holes etc etc.
I too despair. Though my sex education was delivered once a year by the âbunny ladyâ as she seemed to be pregnant each time she came to our girlâs boarding school in the 60âs.
I do remember just before my firs daughter was born and my mum was staying with me pulling out the bag from the chicken and declaring that it was a girl !
VioletSky
Iam64
Violet, I understand your point and couldnât disagree more. Bonus hole sounds disgustingly like yet another orifice women can have penetrated.
If you donât see the offence, nothing anyone says will change that.The truth is it doesn't refer to women at all
Women are not impacted by this
I am not sure trans men will choose this term either
So a non issue
But obviously the trans debate needs more wood chucked on to keep the fire burning so that everyone can lose their minds about yet another lie
This is why these threads are not for me.
Sorry VioletSky your post is nonsensical, only women have what is being described as a bonus hole (vagina) which of course you know.
Obviously this only refers and impacts on those of us born as womenâŠ
I think itâs wrong for anyone dealing with a medical procedure to use a euphemism or pet type name.
All medical procedures and consultations need to be professional and absolutely clear and to that we need a term that had an agreed meaning no matter who is being spoken to.
If the term vagina is distressing to those who have one they need to be helped to acceptance of the medical condition of their bodies.
Years ago medical terms were a closed shop and patients were treated as simple and unable to deal with truth.
To suggest it is to patronise. Are trans men really incapable of dealing with the reality of their lives and the condition of their own bodies?
calling it a bonus hole is so misogynistic it is unreal!
DiamondLily It's worth noting that this form of McCarthyite censorship is reserved for descriptions of female anatomy only. That's why this is nothing short of misogyny.
There is no such suggestion, of course, to swap words that men use to describe their biology.
Perhaps, to be fair, we should change 'penis' to 'flesh roll' to avoid offending trans women? I'm sure men won't object. Just a thought.
Indeed.
I'll not be comfortable changing female body part word until males must change their word penis - to something equally daft.
Perhaps, when pigs fly I can change my attitude.
I despair, I really do.
I know I'm an oldie now, but every day there seems to be more of 'The King's New Clothes" about the world I am having to live in.
Sparklefizz
Thanks for starting this thread DiamondLily. I read this online last night and I was so furious that I'm sure it was the cause of the sleepless night I had.
How dare they? Women are being side-lined in so many ways just to appease a vociferous and aggressive minority. I am deeply offended - it's disgusting and crude and unbelievable.
As Shinamae says, the world has gone truly mad.
Exactly
This is why these threads are not for me so why do you keep posting and commenting on them Violetsky ???
JaneJudge
calling it a bonus hole is so misogynistic it is unreal!
I so agree. Itâs misogynistic and also so infantile. Call it what it is, a vagina, whatever gender you claim to be.
I am offended by âbonus holeâ. I am a woman and have a vagina and I was born with it.
. Trans women can call it what they like, but what they have is not a vagina , and never will be
Transwomen want the word 'vagina' for themselves and for expressions such as 'front hole' (or anything other than 'vagina') to be used for women's vaginas.
Transmen who want to have sex with gay men may want to present their vagina as a 'bonus hole' i.e. something not usually available to gay men.
Yes really.
Spinnaker
How's this one - pain pit ! As recently described by GC just having had the talk and slideshow in school, aged 6/7 year olds group.
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Seriously?
That's absolutely appalling.
If were your GC's parent Spninnaker I'd be going in to the school and asking what on earth is going on.
being brought up by my elderly grandmother she always said privates and when asking about my periods she always said, have you come on. i am not really bothered what people call it, most children grew up having names for it. telling a male neighbour/friend i had cancer again, instead of vulva cancer i just said it's down there, some people still get embarrassed saying vagina and vulva...don't know why, if you are female you know you have a vagina and a vulva so why get bothered about someone else using another name.
Iâm absolutely sickened. As I have said before we are living in an alternative universe. Yes spot on Auntieflo âThe Kingâs New Clothesâ has now become a frightening reality.
A year or two back I had some sympathy for the trans community, but this has been totally demolished by the militant members.
As I regularly repeat on GN my much loved Womenâs Institute has been infiltrated by the militant trans community and when I wrote to our governing body asking why as a democratic group we hadnât been given an opportunity to vote, they replied if I wasnât happy I could leave! Outrageous IMO.
I have signed the Womenâs Institute Declaration online (anyone can vote and anonymously too) demanding a vote by members. We need 5,000 votes for a moratorium, we are currently on 2,888, we need more support.
I think we need to band together like our grandmother suffragettes did all those years ago or we will be living in a permanent trans world.
Saying 'down there' if someone's embarrassed to use the correct terminology is one thing, referring to a vagina as a 'bonus hole' is something else entirely and has only been suggested to pander to the trans gender community.
So basically itâs not acceptable to use âvaginaâ because it offends male to female transgender people. But itâs perfectly fine to offend natal women by suggesting that using this terminology is somehow wrong and offensive in itself. OK then.
And while weâre at it, why does the term âcisâ need to be applied as a prefix to either a man or woman whose gender identity corresponds to their sex assigned at birth ? They are men and women, no further explanation necessary.
The actual context is trying to find a term trans men and non binary people feel comfortable using in order to help them feel confident seeking medical treatment.
But why accept a rational explanation when you can just get all angry about it, assign lots of untruths to the whole situation and use it as another stick to beat trans people with even though they aren't directly responsible anyway
The GC are creating their own distruction by pandering to what amounts to conspiracy theory nonsense and will eventually find no place to be heard an I'm not sure that's necessarily a good thing when there are actual real issues that need to be resolved
That's why there is no place for me on these threads... I'm not interested in being swept up in hysteria and want resolutions to real issues...
So I don't really bother any more
GC people are doing fine VS. Dont you worry.
Another successful court case this week.
Itâs a vagina VS. Like a pancreas is a pancreas or an appendix is an appendix. Itâs a medical term for a body part.
If youâve got one thatâs what youâve got. No need for baby talk with adults surely.
Why do people come onto threads to say theyâre not going to bother coming onto the thread?đđ
Lathyrus
Itâs a vagina VS. Like a pancreas is a pancreas or an appendix is an appendix. Itâs a medical term for a body part.
If youâve got one thatâs what youâve got. No need for baby talk with adults surely.
Very succinctly put.
Besides, it's not a hole is it, more of a passage.
More nonsense !
Here's a brilliant word for vagina - fun factory !
My father is really up tight and peculiar about things and that's what he called it the other day !
Esmay
More nonsense !
Here's a brilliant word for vagina - fun factory !
My father is really up tight and peculiar about things and that's what he called it the other day !
I'm with you. I needed a full hysterectomy at age 30, and a nurse came around, complete with sad/sympathetic voice/face on, to ask me if I felt I'd be traumatised by this....I just told her I was fine with the nursery going as long as they left the playground intact lol đ
But, with this thread - I find the term "bonus hole" to be revolting.đ„Ž
Any transman might want to feel like a man (all fine), but surely they have the intellectual and emotional wherewithal to still be able to address their biological female organ by its proper name? đ€
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