BBC presenter allegations.

Who are these posters CLAIMING to be kind, compassionate and understanding?
I haven’t seen these claims.

I’ve seen some posters inventing scenarios and making baseless accusations and I’ve seen some posters challenging their posts. I haven’t seen any posters making the claims you say.

Yet another make it up as you go along post.

LRavenscroft
Maybe your not capable of going for a walk, baking a cake, do some gardening and comment on a forum but I think you’ll find most of us can.

Iam64

I see the posters who claim to be kind, compassionate and understanding are continuing to be combative, belligerent and judgemental about posters they accuse of exactly that.

Who "claims to be kind"? Who accused others if a lack of kindness?

Kindness is good but justice essential. Objecting to the injustice we have seen on here over the last few days is something I would have expected you to support Iam. It seems the baser instincts get far more support.

You seem to still want to support the throwing of misguided negstive emotion at another human being, even when you have no proof of the behaviour used to demonise them. I am surprised.

Just to add I haven’t seen the phrase “Be Kind” on this thread so not sure why that’s been trotted out.

You might also remember Iam that if justice does find fault I would support the outcome of that.

Looks like it's getting a bit hot in the kitchen for some. Perhaps if they stopped cooking up such unpleasant fare from fictional ingredients, they wouldn't attract such critical attention. Also can't understand why, having presented the dish for general consumption, when a number of people have then drawn attention to its bad taste, they then either deny it's theirs or claim that it hasn't turned out as they intended. We also see the misunderstood victim card being played. Yes, there are most certainly numerous victims in this sad tale, but I don't see any on this thread. Just challenges to baseless scenarios and to groundless accusations. And despite recent developments, the condemnation continues. So very sad.

Not hot in the kitchen for me. I am coping.

It's not really a question of victims on the thread. I actually trust MN/GN to manage discussions of this sort, they have certainly managed much more complex situations.

Yes NanaDana , a lot of "it wasn't me gov" going on but I doubt the walking backwards or blaming others for your faults is only happening on here.

Not too hot for me either. Just exceedingly bored with the self-appointed thread police who I see are also operating on another similar thread. And the tumbrel has been trotted out again so the tricoteuses will be along any minute now.

I hadn't realised I had stumbled into a cookery programme cauldron
Why is everyone turning on eachother?

Just a couple of people turning on the rest Gramaretto.

vegansrock

Man meets a younger man on a dating app. They don’t meet. Nothing illegal happens. We are obsessed with this, I know Huw E was a national icon, a talented broadcaster and all that - but is it worthy of such huge coverage and speculation? What about - Johnson’s phone; mortgage costs; NHS; strikes by doctors, teachers & railworkers; inflation; govt’s Illegal Immigration Bill; sewage in all our rivers & along the beaches; missing millions for useless PPE; MPs ditching their constituencies while drawing full pay & expenses, the climate crisis…….

It might appear like an obsession, when threads get longer, page numbers increase, and posters (me included) return to the thread to make further comments- but I'm sure in between posting comments on here GN members are doing other things and getting on with their daily lives (and posting on other threads about subject matters that have nothing to do with this one).

If I were to agree about an 'obsession' - I'd lay it at the door of The Sun and Murdoch's News Group. Which has - once again - failed to follow basic standards of journalism in its vendetta against the BBC. Murdoch has spoken publicly about his anger at the BBC's domination of the broadcasting market and has, allegedly, ranted in private about the fact the British public are forced to fund the broadcaster.

The damage, hurt and misery caused to the individuals involved in this 'story' are by-products of Murdoch's political campaign against the BBC. He, the paper and the News Group, do not appear to care one jot about them. And he and his paper have form... there is a good reason why The Sun is boycotted in Liverpool.

The hypocrisy of this paper which daily features photo's of near-naked women - celebrities, sports stars, influencers, etc (all perfectly 'legal') adopting a moralising tone in its reporting of this matter which, it seems, does not warrant any further investigation by the police, is so stunning that I'm surprised more people aren't knocked-out by it.

Germanshepherdsmum

Not too hot for me either. Just exceedingly bored with the self-appointed thread police who I see are also operating on another similar thread. And the tumbrel has been trotted out again so the tricoteuses will be along any minute now.

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's

Your own "policing", if that is the new word for discussion, seems intent on shutting down those who don't share your point of view or making them leave the threads.

That cannot be reasonable.

Germanshepherdsmum

Not too hot for me either. Just exceedingly bored with the self-appointed thread police who I see are also operating on another similar thread. And the tumbrel has been trotted out again so the tricoteuses will be along any minute now.

GSM. You'll be pleased to hear that this is the last time that I will be communicating with you. Your attitudes which have been displayed not only on the threads related to the BBC presenter, but also on the thread related to the treatment of asylum-seeking children, make it very clear that we inhabit very different worlds. In order to avoid any further unpleasantness, please feel free to ignore any of my future, posts as I will most certainly be returning the favour.

Good post Dickens.

Er that sounds very unlike GSM, we have had strong disagreements on a number of subjects and she has never in my experience tried to shut me down. And never even when we fought quite vigorously has she made me feel like I needed to leave the thread.

Mollygo

DaisyAnneReturns
Which behaviour? People keep being suggestive about "this behaviour" in this way but nobody seems to be prepared to reference what "behaviour".

The behaviour that started this thread. If you don’t know what that is, I don’t understand why you are commenting on this thread at all.

Thank you Mollygo!
I should have said, of course, 'alleged behaviour' 🙂

The alleged behaviour, which was stated not to be illegal, is certainly not ethical, especially as more allegations of inappropriate behaviour come to light.

People, of course, may have varying standards of what is appropriate behaviour.

I shall be delighted not to have you leaping on my posts NanaDana. It will be a pleasure. I will however continue to comment on yours as I see fit, within guidelines.

No policing or attempting to shut down discussion on my part Daisy. That’s your province.

vegansrock

Man meets a younger man on a dating app. They don’t meet. Nothing illegal happens. We are obsessed with this, I know Huw E was a national icon, a talented broadcaster and all that - but is it worthy of such huge coverage and speculation? What about - Johnson’s phone; mortgage costs; NHS; strikes by doctors, teachers & railworkers; inflation; govt’s Illegal Immigration Bill; sewage in all our rivers & along the beaches; missing millions for useless PPE; MPs ditching their constituencies while drawing full pay & expenses, the climate crisis…….

We can chat about what we like.
I didn't know that chatting was restricted to certain subjects.

We can even chat about knitting when the country is in turmoil if we wish.

It's a Chat Forum.

Galaxy

Er that sounds very unlike GSM, we have had strong disagreements on a number of subjects and she has never in my experience tried to shut me down. And never even when we fought quite vigorously has she made me feel like I needed to leave the thread.

I'd second that.

GSM and I are at opposite ends of the political spectrum also but I've never felt chivvied, nor the necessity to duck out of the thread.

And, there are points on which we agree.

Thank you Galaxy and Dickens. There are many things on which posters agree and disagree with one another, but it should be possible to do so without nastiness and personal insults. As you and the vast majority of others prove.

Germanshepherdsmum

Just a couple of people turning on the rest Gramaretto.

“The rest”?? If by that you mean the self appointed judges posting their concocted versions of events, you’ll find there’s more than a couple of people disagreeing with them. It is allowed you know.

Germanshepherdsmum

Thank you Galaxy and Dickens. There are many things on which posters agree and disagree with one another, but it should be possible to do so without nastiness and personal insults. As you and the vast majority of others prove.

There are matters, about which people have strong feelings one way or another. One person's emotional investment in a subject does not invalidate another's which might be in opposition. Our own personal experiences will often drive our feelings about an issue which, I think, is perfectly understandable. If I have strong 'sensitivities' about something, that doesn't necessarily make me 'right' and them 'wrong' for not sharing the same sentiments.

Then there are facts and some posters are very knowledgeable about them in a particular area - you, for example, in areas relating to Law. Comment is Free, but Facts are Sacred (CP Scott, Manchester Guardian Editor, 1921). Sometimes, facts are what matter more than opinions... as Joe Friday (Dragnet 1951) said, all we want are the facts, ma'am. And I've just dated myself by remembering that TV show!

There's also the matter of each poster's posting 'style'. And that causes problems because there are those who take umbrage at the way people express themselves (I've been guilty of that). But it can't be helped, it's the nature of social media. That's why there are rules and guidelines about being respectful, etc, etc. We will never be able to corral people into one single way of voicing an opinion. Sometimes I'm offended by a post that doesn't bother anyone else - and the opposite is also true.

All in all, I think GN is a pretty 'good' social media site, I've seen very few deliberately hateful or aggressively nasty comments - certainly in comparison to other sites where there are some humdingers of comments that are, remarkably, often allowed to remain when they are quite clearly in breach of the 'guidelines'!

Another word of support for gsm from me. Politically we are usually poles apart, we disagree and respect each other even when the disagreement is strong.

There have been some unwarranted personal attacks during the discussions about this sad situation. Jaffacake was both scared and distressed when she was told she might get sued for one of her perfectly reasonable posts. There was no chance of Jaffa being sued