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BBC presenter allegations.

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Kandinsky Sun 09-Jul-23 13:10:49

I know the last thread was taken down at the op’s request - but if anyone wants to continue discussing this major news item I’ve started this one.

M0nica Mon 10-Jul-23 13:00:31

If what has been done is a crime, then the matter should be in police hands.

If what was done was entirely legal then it is nobody's business other than those involved.

I fail to see why something a tv presenter does, which is entirely legal, should be headline news, if is of no interest if the car mechanic across the road dowes the same thing.

Surely sniggering over sexual peccadilloes is such childish, immature behaviour.

Doodledog Mon 10-Jul-23 13:01:26

Wyllow3

Doodledog

"Addiction is a terrible thing, and if the perpetrator has been feeding the habit of a young person whose mother is worried for his (or her?) life"

This is the first time I've read it suggested that the accused person actually was involved in introducing drugs to the minor (if indeed they were 17 not 18)

He didn't, AFAIK. But that's what the money was being spent on, and that's what the mother was trying to stop. Without the money her child would not have been able to buy them.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 10-Jul-23 13:02:16

Sago

Well it’s out now! I am very surprised.
Poor man is now going to be fed to the lions.
He was highly respected, what a stupid thing to do.

I really hope it isn’t him sago (he is named all over Twitter)

Doodledog Mon 10-Jul-23 13:03:20

Sago

Well it’s out now! I am very surprised.
Poor man is now going to be fed to the lions.
He was highly respected, what a stupid thing to do.

Is it? Where have you seen the report, please? I can't find anything on the BBC website.

Doodledog Mon 10-Jul-23 13:04:13

GrannyGravy13

Sago

Well it’s out now! I am very surprised.
Poor man is now going to be fed to the lions.
He was highly respected, what a stupid thing to do.

I really hope it isn’t him sago (he is named all over Twitter)

It's been all over SM for ages, but nothing has been confirmed, AFAIK.

Anniebach Mon 10-Jul-23 13:05:12

MOnica. I agree fully with you

Kate1949 Mon 10-Jul-23 13:05:52

I think it is our business when the licence fee is paying their salary and they have set themselves up as a trustworthy, pillar of the community person and are obviously not that person at all. It is foolish to think that you wouldn't be found out.

Anniebach Mon 10-Jul-23 13:09:09

I don’t know who has been named but how has this person set themselves up to be ‘a pillar of the community’. ?

Doodledog Mon 10-Jul-23 13:11:26

Anniebach

I don’t know who has been named but how has this person set themselves up to be ‘a pillar of the community’. ?

You would know if you knew who has been (unofficially) named.

Sparklefizz Mon 10-Jul-23 13:12:56

This was being discussed on the Jeremy Vine show on Radio 2 and a lawyer pointed out that we don't know whether the huge sum of money paid to the young person was as a result of blackmail.

lemsip Mon 10-Jul-23 13:16:34

it is not out now! Just more speculative names. it'll be out when the BBC announce it! all the twitter accounts naming people could be sued for libel.

Doodledog Mon 10-Jul-23 13:22:15

Sparklefizz

This was being discussed on the Jeremy Vine show on Radio 2 and a lawyer pointed out that we don't know whether the huge sum of money paid to the young person was as a result of blackmail.

Which could explain why the mother didn't go to the police. How awful would it be to be so desperate that you have to go to the Sun about your own child, and know that when it all comes out he (or she) could be charged with an offence, but the alternative is to watch him/her die from drugs?

It's a mess, but if the BBC don't say something soon, it will only get worse.

Anniebach Mon 10-Jul-23 13:24:44

The desperate mother could have gone to the police

GrannyGravy13 Mon 10-Jul-23 13:26:53

lemsip

it is not out now! Just more speculative names. it'll be out when the BBC announce it! all the twitter accounts naming people could be sued for libel.

The person’s salary was leaked on BBC Radio 4 by someone being interviewed this morning, this apparently narrowed it down to 3 people (2 men, 1 women)

Only one has allegedly changed their Twitter bio.

tickingbird Mon 10-Jul-23 13:29:31

I dont see how this person can be accused of feeding this young person’s drug habit. If he was working on webcams he’d be getting it off someone else if not him. As someone else pointed out he might have been blackmailed.

Yes I do feel sorry for the man concerned. It’s none of our business. If he has broken the law yes but, if not, it’s nothing to do with us.

DaisyAnneReturns Mon 10-Jul-23 13:30:20

lemsip

it is not out now! Just more speculative names. it'll be out when the BBC announce it! all the twitter accounts naming people could be sued for libel.

Hopefully not dven then if the person hasn't been charged.

DaisyAnneReturns Mon 10-Jul-23 13:35:17

GrannyGravy13

lemsip

it is not out now! Just more speculative names. it'll be out when the BBC announce it! all the twitter accounts naming people could be sued for libel.

The person’s salary was leaked on BBC Radio 4 by someone being interviewed this morning, this apparently narrowed it down to 3 people (2 men, 1 women)

Only one has allegedly changed their Twitter bio.

This is the nastiest sort of discussion. Why not take your knitting to the town square and see just how many people you can destroy with these Chinese whispers.

Will know or be told we do not need to know soon enough.

FannyCornforth Mon 10-Jul-23 13:38:51

Kelvin McKenzie was just interviewed on PM on R4.

McKenzie said that during his tenure at The Sun in the 80s (he called it ‘the good olds days’, but it was really an absolute sh!t show) that they would have revealed his name at the drop of a Page 3 stunna’s bra (my words)

The reason why they won’t now is because the advertiser is king, and they don’t want to scare the horses.
The readership or circulation is irrelevant

GrannyGravy13 Mon 10-Jul-23 13:40:42

DaisyAnneReturns

GrannyGravy13

lemsip

it is not out now! Just more speculative names. it'll be out when the BBC announce it! all the twitter accounts naming people could be sued for libel.

The person’s salary was leaked on BBC Radio 4 by someone being interviewed this morning, this apparently narrowed it down to 3 people (2 men, 1 women)

Only one has allegedly changed their Twitter bio.

This is the nastiest sort of discussion. Why not take your knitting to the town square and see just how many people you can destroy with these Chinese whispers.

Will know or be told we do not need to know soon enough.

Not nasty at all DaisyAnneReturns

I haven’t and wouldn’t post any of the names, if anyone was nasty it was the person interviewed on Radio 4 this morning.
Deliberately leaking the salary they knew that many journalists would immediately work out who it was.

If it is who has been named on SM, I am extremely sad for them and those around them, in fact I hope that the accusers are wrong and that the accused take legal action.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 10-Jul-23 13:43:27

FannyCornforth

Kelvin McKenzie was just interviewed on PM on R4.

McKenzie said that during his tenure at The Sun in the 80s (he called it ‘the good olds days’, but it was really an absolute sh!t show) that they would have revealed his name at the drop of a Page 3 stunna’s bra (my words)

The reason why they won’t now is because the advertiser is king, and they don’t want to scare the horses.
The readership or circulation is irrelevant

Advertising is where the revenue is in the 21st Century.

Not sure which is the lesser of two evils being speculated about all over SM or outed by The Sun…

FannyCornforth Mon 10-Jul-23 13:49:56

Who leaked his salary?
I listened to R4 this morning, but nodded off for a while.
I’ve noticed that R4 has reverted to saying just ‘presenter’ as opposed to ‘news presenter’

FannyCornforth Mon 10-Jul-23 13:50:50

GrannyGravy I believe that some, Nicky Campbell in particular, are livid about it

GrannyGravy13 Mon 10-Jul-23 14:09:19

FannyCornforth

GrannyGravy I believe that some, Nicky Campbell in particular, are livid about it

So they should be, the twitteratti are out in full force.

The BBC should just name the person suspended whilst investigations continue. Unfortunately not doing so is causing upset and anger for many employees.

NanaDana Mon 10-Jul-23 14:10:59

Here we go with the sadly predictable nasty, playground gossip again. The name's out.. No it isn't. We can work it out from the salary which has been leaked... no it hasn't and no we can't. So utterly pathetic, and exactly what I feared this thread would descend to if it went on long enough. Vultures sitting on fencepoles.. les tricoteuses spectators at the guillotine. It really is such a disgusting spectacle to see this sordid speculation unfolding and I honestly wish that GN would just close the thread. We'll know who it is if and when there's an official announcement, and not before.

Doodledog Mon 10-Jul-23 14:12:35

Anniebach

The desperate mother could have gone to the police

We don't know the details of why she didn't, though?

If she had gone to the police, the man would still be exposed, if there is a case to answer. Whilst they carried out their investigation (assuming they had the resources to do so - not a given these days) would you want to see the man on your screen, or do you think the BBC should have moved him from his role at first then suspended him when more information became known? Or something else?

Apparently the woman went to the BBC who say they investigated but kept him on screen, which was distressing for the woman, and arguably sends a worrying message about their priorities. Then she asked the Sun for help, and the story got out. At that point, the BBC removed him from his role and then suspended him when further information became available, which is probably what would have happened had the mother gone to the police, so there is no difference from the POV of the accused.

People complained about Jimmy Savile, and the BBC did nothing. Nor did the police. I'm not saying that this of is the same order of magnitude, but I can understand a reluctance to rely on either of them, particularly if time is of the essence and the BBC has sat on your complaint for several weeks.

I don't know any more than anyone else. I know who has been named on social media, and that he hasn't responded, (which is his right) and that when Clive Myrie listed the people whose names had been mentioned but were not guilty this man was not mentioned. I don't want it to be him, but nor do I want to see another case of 'little people' being preyed on by those in the public eye. It happens far too often, and there is very little that ordinary people can do, as justice is so expensive.

I don't know what I would do if that were my child, but I think I would stop at nothing to get the money stopped so that s/he couldn't buy the drugs. It may be that this is all untrue, but I doubt it. The Sun has red hot lawyers who will have scrutinised every word of what has been published (which amounts to very little, really - that the complaint was made and the BBC did nothing). The rest of it has happened after social media made it impossible for them to continue to do nothing.

The power of social media is debatable - it can be a force for harm for sure - but it is also democratising, and allows those who can't afford representation elsewhere to have a voice. Would Savile have got away with it for so long if social media had been around then?