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BBC presenter allegations.

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Kandinsky Sun 09-Jul-23 13:10:49

I know the last thread was taken down at the op’s request - but if anyone wants to continue discussing this major news item I’ve started this one.

MerylStreep Mon 10-Jul-23 10:54:43

To be honest, the police would be the last people I would go to when the complaint is against a very high profile person
How many beautiful young Asian women went to the police for help before they were murdered by family members.

FannyCornforth Mon 10-Jul-23 11:15:14

Meryl yes, very good point.
Who exactly can we trust these days?
Very depressing

Curtaintwitcher Mon 10-Jul-23 11:20:48

Has the person actually broken any laws? The girl was 17 when this happened, so not a child or below the age of consent.
It seems she spent the money on drugs and now she blames him for giving her the money!

Wyllow3 Mon 10-Jul-23 11:27:09

I would trust the police if I had video evidence. It's not a "he said, he said". Approaching my MP? Depends entirely on the MP, I'd trust mine.

Foxygloves Mon 10-Jul-23 11:32:03

Curtaintwitcher

Has the person actually broken any laws? The girl was 17 when this happened, so not a child or below the age of consent.
It seems she spent the money on drugs and now she blames him for giving her the money!

It was a youth, not a girl.
I understand that although 17 is not technically a minor, (the first payments for sexually explicit photos were allegedly made when the youth was 17) while the legal age of consent in the UK is 16, it is a crime to make or possess indecent images of anyone under 18.

Callistemon21 Mon 10-Jul-23 11:41:26

GrannyGravy13

Anniebach

The NSPCC had no problem with a 17 year appearing topless in the Sun

Sam Fox was only 16 when she first appeared topless in The Sun, she quit her school exams and moved straight onto Page 3

I didn't realise The Sun had published photos of a topless child.

How hypocritical

tickingbird Mon 10-Jul-23 11:44:19

I’ll probably get piled on for what I’m about to say but if the person is who I think it is his life is ruined. I hope we don’t have a tragic end to this. I don’t know the facts as don’t read The Sun or have particular interest in other people’s sex lives so don’t know if this was just an online thing or if they met in person.

It’s all very grubby but it’s happening all the time. There’s even been several tv programmes about the sex webcam industry. I don’t think the public, The Sun or anyone else should sit in judgement on what someone gets up to in their private life. If a ‘child’ is involved then what is said child doing working for a sex line?

This whole story is nasty on so many levels and more than anything just highlights that BBC top brass are useless, much like ITV counterparts. Their huge salaries certainly don’t match any abilities to manage staff or deal with problems such as this or the Schofield one.

dragonfly46 Mon 10-Jul-23 11:47:20

tickingbird

I’ll probably get piled on for what I’m about to say but if the person is who I think it is his life is ruined. I hope we don’t have a tragic end to this. I don’t know the facts as don’t read The Sun or have particular interest in other people’s sex lives so don’t know if this was just an online thing or if they met in person.

It’s all very grubby but it’s happening all the time. There’s even been several tv programmes about the sex webcam industry. I don’t think the public, The Sun or anyone else should sit in judgement on what someone gets up to in their private life. If a ‘child’ is involved then what is said child doing working for a sex line?

This whole story is nasty on so many levels and more than anything just highlights that BBC top brass are useless, much like ITV counterparts. Their huge salaries certainly don’t match any abilities to manage staff or deal with problems such as this or the Schofield one.

I agree entirely.
I find the whole thing very sad.

Anniebach Mon 10-Jul-23 11:49:56

Should employers be responsible for the private lives of their
employees ?

HousePlantQueen Mon 10-Jul-23 12:13:16

I am sickened by the hypocrisy of The Sun getting all hot under the collar about this alleged incident. The same newspaper which published photographs of topless teenagers every day for years, and ran a breathless article about Charlotte Church 'becoming legal' on her 16th birthday. Disgusting.

Galaxy Mon 10-Jul-23 12:14:52

Well yes but that doesnt make this right.

Galaxy Mon 10-Jul-23 12:19:30

Perhaps if we as a society created a culture where this is not acceptable, and discussed it more openly then things would improve. If you have a culture where men can buy consent then dont be surprised if vulnerable young people get hurt in the process.

Kandinsky Mon 10-Jul-23 12:20:18

You can’t really blame the Sun, yes they had ‘page 3’ for years but it wasn’t illegal & no one had to buy it.
I’ve never bought the sun in my life.

Anniebach Mon 10-Jul-23 12:21:39

What consent has been bought ?

Casdon Mon 10-Jul-23 12:26:30

www.internetmatters.org/hub/news-blogs/what-is-onlyfans-what-parents-need-to-know/
This site has 210 million members.

lemsip Mon 10-Jul-23 12:28:12

whoever you work for Im sure you would lose your job if found to be a sexual predator in your private life.... others wouldn't want to work with such a person.

the bbc and itv have a duty of care to other employees.

MerylStreep Mon 10-Jul-23 12:33:19

Wyllow3

I would trust the police if I had video evidence. It's not a "he said, he said". Approaching my MP? Depends entirely on the MP, I'd trust mine.

There was video evidence of Wayne Couzens exposing himself at a McDonalds drive through. That was reported together with his number plate.
What did the Met do, Jack shit. Then in a short while he went on to murder beautiful Sarah.
My distrust of the Met goes back many years through personal experience with my own family.

Anniebach Mon 10-Jul-23 12:33:40

Sexual predator,you know this to be true ?

Wyllow3 Mon 10-Jul-23 12:38:18

We don't!

Doodledog Mon 10-Jul-23 12:38:54

Anniebach

Should employers be responsible for the private lives of their
employees ?

I think that depends on the nature of the employment. In the same way as it is more shocking when a policeman is a rapist, or a priest is found guilty of sexual crimes, it is important that someone employed by the BBC to report on stories or make announcements that are extremely important to the nation is trustworthy.

Yes, the Sun is hypocritical - that is undeniable - but I've never understood why many people seem to think that two wrongs cancel one another out. Addiction is a terrible thing, and if the perpetrator has been feeding the habit of a young person whose mother is worried for his (or her?) life, I don't blame her for going to the papers when her approach to the BBC got her nowhere. I would stop at nothing to protect the lives of my children, whether or not they had made foolish choices in their youth that had contributed to the state they were in.

No, the BBC is not able to control the lives of its employees any more than any other employer, and of course they will hear all kinds of spurious allegations, but I think this goes beyond 'private life'. Asking for (and possessing) sexually explicit photos and videos of someone under 18 is a crime, and it is not compatible with the BBCs position as national broadcaster to have someone accused of such a crime continuing to present gravely serious stories (or ones of national celebration, for that matter). He hasn't been named (rightly), and nor should he be until the investigation is complete, but IMO the sooner it is made public the better, so there is no further speculation that implicates innocent people.

How long can it take to investigate? There will be bank statements and photos as evidence (although if the 'child' in the case is not co-operating, it might not be easy to access them, I suppose). If it turns out that there are no charges to answer, then a statement to that effect can be made - prevarication is only feeding the speculation.

HousePlantQueen Mon 10-Jul-23 12:39:57

Anniebach

Should employers be responsible for the private lives of their
employees ?

I have wondered the same. Would there have been all this feeding frenzy if it had been a banker?

I am sure this dreadful government are delighted that the media are focusing on this sordid and sad business, rather than the things which matter to people ie paying their mortgage/rent. When this matter is old news, there will be some more revelations about Harry and Meghan to distract those who fall for it

Doodledog Mon 10-Jul-23 12:45:46

The story does appear to have taken the heat out of the George Osbourne wedding email, doesn't it? 🤔

Wyllow3 Mon 10-Jul-23 12:49:58

Doodledog

"Addiction is a terrible thing, and if the perpetrator has been feeding the habit of a young person whose mother is worried for his (or her?) life"

This is the first time I've read it suggested that the accused person actually was involved in introducing drugs to the minor (if indeed they were 17 not 18)

Sago Mon 10-Jul-23 12:52:15

Well it’s out now! I am very surprised.
Poor man is now going to be fed to the lions.
He was highly respected, what a stupid thing to do.

Kate1949 Mon 10-Jul-23 12:55:53

Poor man? Really?