Claim that 550m refugees entered the UK since 2015...

maddyone There are no "legitimate" routes for people from a number of countries, especially if they've been persecuted for political, religious beliefs or sexual orientation.

growstuff I specifically meant there are legitimate routes for medics to arrive as we actually poach them from other countries and so they are perfectly legal immigrants. I know there are not necessarily legitimate routes for some others who arrive in dinghies.
They are not likely to be medics as we welcome medic migrants because we need them and therefore medics can arrive legally.

If they are only paid £14 per hour as new doctors I am surprised they bother. You get more stacking shelves in a supermarket here.

In 2022, long-term immigration into the UK was an estimated 1.2 million. This is an estimated increase of 221,000 compared with 2021 (942,000). This 2021 figure has been revised upwards (from 895,000 to 942,000). This upwards revision results from methodological improvements and the inclusion of asylum seekers, who were not covered by the migration estimates published in November 2022. Please see the Section 9: Revisions to migration estimates for more information, and Section 11: Glossary for the definition of long-term immigration. This is from the ONC.

nanna8

If they are only paid £14 per hour as new doctors I am surprised they bother. You get more stacking shelves in a supermarket here.

I agree nanna8, we treat doctors abysmally in this country. It’s no wonder they go abroad to work. There is little appreciation of the 5/6 years they’ve spent studying and training, followed by the long years they then spend continuing to train whilst working in the NHS. It took my daughter twelve years to train as a doctor and to become a fully qualified GP. Some areas such as anaesthesia take longer before they are at consultant level. They are called ‘junior’ doctors until they reach consultant level or GP level. The word ‘junior’ is misleading because they are fully trained doctors after the 5/6 years at university. But many of the public, including some on Gransnet, don’t understand this.

And because we don’t train enough doctors in this country (government policy, and I presume it’s because it’s expensive to train medics) and many are emigrating to countries where they are treated better, we therefore have to poach doctors from other countries.

Lyndie

In 2022, long-term immigration into the UK was an estimated 1.2 million. This is an estimated increase of 221,000 compared with 2021 (942,000). This 2021 figure has been revised upwards (from 895,000 to 942,000). This upwards revision results from methodological improvements and the inclusion of asylum seekers, who were not covered by the migration estimates published in November 2022. Please see the Section 9: Revisions to migration estimates for more information, and Section 11: Glossary for the definition of long-term immigration. This is from the ONC.

I’m at a loss as to how this can continue. Insufficient housing, pressure on medical services, insufficient doctors, nurses, and midwives, rising class sizes, increased road traffic, insufficient water as soon as we have three weeks of sunshine, crumbling infrastructure, hotels full of migrants which causes local difficulties and resentments, the need to achieve net zero. How can all these problems be solved with a government with it’s head in the sand and ignoring the problems? Legal or illegal immigration, the huge increases in population is causing difficulties.

The UK has an ageing population and there are not enough younger workers. It is impossible to staff the NHS, social care, hospitality, etc., without immigrants. And even if we had enough young people of the right ability level it takes about 5 to 7 years to train a junior hospital doctor. What do we do meanwhile? Where I live in the SW it is difficult to find a p!umber, electrician, gardener or home care worker.

pinkquartz

we do need more workers for the NHS and other services but why not train peoplewho are already here?
It is not good to "steal" trained staff from oher countries who also need more workers?

If you train more people who are already, they are likely to go abroad as soon as they are qualified since the NHS salaries are so lousy. The people we 'steal' only want to be here because salaries/working conditions are worse.

We have plenty of young people of the right ability to train as doctors. It is a course that is hugely oversubscribed and many young people of excellent ability are turned away. The government limit the number of training places available for medics. And if we want to keep our homegrown medics we should pay them properly.

maddyone

Lyndie

In 2022, long-term immigration into the UK was an estimated 1.2 million. This is an estimated increase of 221,000 compared with 2021 (942,000). This 2021 figure has been revised upwards (from 895,000 to 942,000). This upwards revision results from methodological improvements and the inclusion of asylum seekers, who were not covered by the migration estimates published in November 2022. Please see the Section 9: Revisions to migration estimates for more information, and Section 11: Glossary for the definition of long-term immigration. This is from the ONC.

I’m at a loss as to how this can continue. Insufficient housing, pressure on medical services, insufficient doctors, nurses, and midwives, rising class sizes, increased road traffic, insufficient water as soon as we have three weeks of sunshine, crumbling infrastructure, hotels full of migrants which causes local difficulties and resentments, the need to achieve net zero. How can all these problems be solved with a government with it’s head in the sand and ignoring the problems? Legal or illegal immigration, the huge increases in population is causing difficulties.

I reckon the only thing we can do is all pit our heads in the sand until we grow wings and migrate !

I’ve just realised I put ONC. It’s ONS. Office of National Statistics.

Response to CvD66 …
To be fair Nobody knows just how many migrants have come into England ….

Was the figure of 550 million provided by Diane Abbott?...

Freya5

MerylStreep

I think the companies who manage the sewage plants might dispute that.
They are the people who have the closest estimate of the population.

Pardon, are you accusing me of lying.

If I was commenting on your post I would have started my post with your name.
It’s generally understood that posters are replying to the OP unless a posters name is used.