The Refugee Ship

Nicenanny3

11:54Dickens

I wasn't suggesting RNLI could become Police Patrol Boats you said that, I was making the point that they have no trouble finding them and ferrying them ashore so if they can find them Patrol Boats could and turn them back and no I don't donate to RNLI and I believe their donations have fallen dramatically because of their actions (ie they have become the last part of the chain, starting with the criminal smuggling gangs and ending with them picking them up)

I wasn't suggesting RNLI could become Police Patrol Boats you said that, I was making the point that they have no trouble finding them and ferrying them ashore...

With their sophisticated equipment, know-how and enthusiasm for the job, it's hardly surprising that they have no trouble in finding them - and of course they're going to bring them ashore, having located them, what else would they do?

My point is that if they - regardless of how we (or even they) feel about those in the boats, do anything other than rescue them, they are then no longer a rescue charity. And that is the point, they have no option other than to do what they are doing, as they have charitable status.

I'm sure their donations have fallen considerably. And that might or might not effect the way they function, who knows - but that will not alter their status, nor will it change their MO.

13:38Iam64

Ahem, these people are not ‘illegals’.
Is that you Donald?

Is that you Yvette 🤔

Is that you Donald?

No it's an angry and frustrated tax payer who is tired of seeing our hotels cancelling long planned, and much anticipated, weddings, parties, conferences and holidays so that migrants can be accommodated. I expect that the hotel staff who immediately lose their jobs, with very little notice, are also justifiably aggrieved. You don't have to be Donald Trump to recognise the negative impact that thousands of undocumented young men can have on a community.

Germanshepherdsmum

Yes there have always been waves of immigration Glorianny, but not in the vast numbers we are experiencing now. And previous waves of immigrants haven’t been wholly supported by the state, other than unaccompanied children of course such as arrived on the kinder transport.

The kinder transport were not "supported by the state" they were sponsored by British Jews and Jewish charities. Each child needed £50 in sponsorship to come here. Those living in group homes, the staff were appointed and paid by Jewish organisations and the houses were lent by benefactors.

and the houses were lent by benefactors.

So not commandeered against anyone's will?

There’s also the very positive contribution to this country from those kinder children in their adult lives.

I’m happy to be associated with Yvette Cooper. I’d be wretched to be compared to Trump

Glorianny

Germanshepherdsmum

Yes there have always been waves of immigration Glorianny, but not in the vast numbers we are experiencing now. And previous waves of immigrants haven’t been wholly supported by the state, other than unaccompanied children of course such as arrived on the kinder transport.

The kinder transport were not "supported by the state" they were sponsored by British Jews and Jewish charities. Each child needed £50 in sponsorship to come here. Those living in group homes, the staff were appointed and paid by Jewish organisations and the houses were lent by benefactors.

and Christadelphians

Kinder children entirely different scenario then to the illegals on the dinghies paying criminals gangs to get here. Illegal is my preferred name for them because that's how I think of them and before some posters comes on to say they are not illegal they are asylum seekers don't bother.

They don’t enter the country legally, i.e. with permission.

Beetlejuice

^and the houses were lent by benefactors.^

So not commandeered against anyone's will?

Quite whose will anything is being commandeered against I am uncertain
Asylum seekers are making huge profits for the companies who own the places being used to accommodate them. Think about it. They employ less staff. They provide less service. They can serve lower quality food. They are permanently fully booked. It's money making all the way.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64991234

What do other countries do with the migrants and refugees?

Wow!

Looks like they are going to be very well looked after but no doubt there will be complaints.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12323897/Life-migrant-barge-Tour-controversial-Bibby-Stockholm-docked-Dorset-port-reveals-life-like-fully-equipped-gym-TV-games-rooms.html#newcomment

Migrants on Britain’s first barge housing asylum seekers will be provided with free hiking, cycling, cricket and festival excursions as well as on-board sports, a gym and a 24-hour food service to keep them occupied, it was revealed on Friday.

Asylum seekers on the 500-person capacity barge in Portland, Dorset, will be free to leave at any time on foot or through buses laid on every hour from 7am to 11pm to nearby Weymouth, with free taxis to bring them back if they miss the last one home.

Like a holiday camp many UK residents would love to have a free holiday but can't afford

Copied from The Telegraph

As well as a fully-equipped gym with running, cycling, rowing machines and weights, they will have two spacious TV rooms, five lounges, IT room with desk top computers and free wifi, classroom for twice a week English classes and a conference room which they can book for meetings, activities or hobbies.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12323897/Life-migrant-barge-Tour-controversial-Bibby-Stockholm-docked-Dorset-port-reveals-life-like-fully-equipped-gym-TV-games-rooms.html

EXCLUSIVE - Welcome to life on the Bibby Stockholm: Migrants staying on barge will get hikes on the Dorset coast, allotments and cricket classes as video shows tour of 'floatel'

That’s truly appalling. Disgraceful. They will be telling all their friends about it and even more boats will arrive. Why should they have such luxuries that our own people can’t hope to afford? So-called detention centres should be just that - with exercise facilities and three meals a day, a tv room - in other words, what would be provided to prisoners, which is what they should be.

Yes but some posters/people think it's cruel putting them on barges 🤔

It also said 24 hour catering you couldn't make it up could you, the ones in the hotels will be protesting that they want the same facilities although perhaps they already get them, all paid for by British tax payers
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Perhaps some posters think the barge is like a nineteenth century prison hulk. Frankly if you sent them on a world cruise they wouldn’t have better conditions. I’m truly appalled.

The Rwanda plan can’t come quickly enough. I read that the government’s appeal to the Supreme Court might be heard next month. I can but hope.

I wonder what some posters who have difficulty affording food, utility bills and rent, can’t get a medical or dental appointment and who can’t even dream of an excursion somewhere, think of this? I’m lucky to be able to afford all these things but am nevertheless beyond angry.

I remember someone who had been in a hotel for some time with his family complaining and saying they wanted a house. Frankly, join the queue!

It’s absolutely grim. I’m surprised to discover that some of you live in substandard accommodation yourselves if you think this is luxurious. Just look at the pictures.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66270811

Yes let's hope the Supreme Court agrees Rwanda is a safe place. Let's hope we are waving off plane loads of illegal boat migrants soon, news will soon reach Calais by YouTube and Twitter surely they will think twice before paying thousands of pounds to get here only to then end up on a plane to Rwanda.

I will leave those posters less fortunate than I am to comment, but it certainly isn’t my idea of grim free accommodation.

Indeed Nicenanny.

17:58Casdon

It’s absolutely grim. I’m surprised to discover that some of you live in substandard accommodation yourselves if you think this is luxurious. Just look at the pictures.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66270811

your joking aren't you, we are talking about people who some on here have said are fleeing war and famine, any port in a storm surely you would be grateful for if that was the truth although I suppose if you'd pay £3 500 to the smuggling gangs for a trip here and were expecting a 4 star hotel in London you might be disappointed, shame

Dickens
As an aside, when calling a MayDay you can get your coordinates on your phone.

Germanshepherdsmum

That’s truly appalling. Disgraceful. They will be telling all their friends about it and even more boats will arrive. Why should they have such luxuries that our own people can’t hope to afford? So-called detention centres should be just that - with exercise facilities and three meals a day, a tv room - in other words, what would be provided to prisoners, which is what they should be.

I think the Home Office is probably / possibly afraid that keeping xxx number of young men cooped up offshore for months, maybe even years who knows, will lead to trouble, which is why they've thrown in these organised 'tours' or whatever.

As well as complying with human rights - I suspect they (the HO) are between a rock and a hard place in terms of trying to deal with a quickly-developing problem that we (and from what I've read) the RoEurope are increasingly at a loss as to know quite how to deal with.

If they detain the migrants and they (the migrants) 'kick-off' the government will be in trouble, and they're going to be in trouble for providing facilities that many of our own impoverished can't access.

We are just reacting to the situation as it develops. It was on the cards back in 2015 at least that this was going to be a big problem, but the EU has dragged its feet, and so have we... there should have been cross-country, urgent talks, aimed at a co-ordinated integrated plans to deal with it.

The 2016 deal between the EU and Turkey which was aimed at preventing refugees from Syria traveling to the EU ( and thus to the UK) and which was for a while quite successful, seems to have fallen through after the escalation of fighting there and the Turkish president announced that it couldn't cope with the new wave of refugees. And opened its sea borders and the west of Turkey to allow the refugees into Europe. Since the start of the war I believe Turkey took in in excess of 3 million refugees. There's little reliable data, but it would appear that the majority of refugees who stayed in Turkey were the elderly, women and children... which is why we are seeing such numbers of young men. The President's Chief Advisor once told the BBC that Europe's approach appeared to be that as long as they don't come our way, it's somebody else's problem.

What a holy, bloody awful mess.