I couldn’t believe this. Tell me it isn’t true. Back to the 18 th century.
U.K. paid French Border Force £62.2 million 2022/23
After U.K./France leaders summit U.K. is committed to £476 million between 2023/24 and 2025/26
I would be interested to see how and where this has been/will be allocated.
I have an uneasy feeling that we will see a backlash against these desperate people who have fled from their homelands for their safety yes, I expect we will, another distraction from the mess being made of governance by the Tory administration. Murdoch and his mates will turn their eye on the boats and stir everyone up. Predictable, and very sad.
scottie51
To all the people opposing this solution, " What do you suggest?" These people come here illegally at their own free will. Why don't they use the legal immigration routes?
sigh
HannahLoisLuke
Germanshepherdsmum
Those in the former barracks won’t be unfortunately, but I would have thought those on the ship will be unless daily ferries are going to be provided for them (I hope not)..
It’s so easy for unknown people to just disappear if not detained and work/be enslaved in the black economy. If the authorities don’t know who they are how can they search for them?I’ve heard that they will be signed on and off buses taking them to local areas,then counted back on. Let’s hope it works.
Like a WI coach trip? 😁
I do remember when one member got left behind.
Free buses every hour, going to Weymouth, Portland and Dorchester. Weymouth beach is very popular, especially to teenagers and families who go there to relax and have fun.
The 500 single young male migrants can come and go as they please. I think Weymouth beach will be a big attraction
Free buses every hour? Dear God.
The tenor of posts on this thread illustrates that ipople are really worried about the impact that so many people are arriving in the UK having destroyed all means of identification. I heard or read about the govt page of advice for asylum seekers and if I was considering where to go I would be interested in going to UK. So maybe you could read this. People will go where they feel most welcome. Who can blame them? The sad fact is that UK is a relatively small country abd our cities are already overcrowded. Scotland has room and parts of Wales but England seems like a magnet because it is so close to France!
www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get
Anniel
The tenor of posts on this thread illustrates that ipople are really worried about the impact that so many people are arriving in the UK having destroyed all means of identification. I heard or read about the govt page of advice for asylum seekers and if I was considering where to go I would be interested in going to UK. So maybe you could read this. People will go where they feel most welcome. Who can blame them? The sad fact is that UK is a relatively small country abd our cities are already overcrowded. Scotland has room and parts of Wales but England seems like a magnet because it is so close to France!
www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get
Asylum seekers are dispersed throughout the UK Anniel, the UK government decides where they will be placed.
The Refugee Council say that of the approx 50,000 refugees arriving every year around 25,000 would be eligible for asylum.
The ‘refugee ship’ holds 500 people. By a rough reckoning, that is one ship per week. How is this sustainable? Where are all these single men to go long-term, bearing in mind this figure is only half of those arriving in small boats ?
Do any of us know what the accommodation is like before condemning it?
Just because it is a barge does that mean it is worse than a hostel?
Is it worse than the double decker buses volunteers have set up in Dorset for local homeless people rather than them sleep on the streets in the freezing cold winters?
This accommodation is meant to be a temporary measure and the sooner the processing system is speeded up, the better.
U.K. paid French Border Force £62.2 million 2022/23
I would be interested to see how and where this has been/will be allocated.
I'm not being funny here, but when we queue up on French soil to board the ferry home a security border force person (with a dog) walks up and down asking, " 'Ave you any immigrés with you?"
DH says that's not very good value for the money Rishi gave Macron.
The barge was being refitted down in Falmouth. At least it is getting put to use after all the expense.
The lack of human feeling, and the callous attitude of many towards these poor people has made me feel quite sick.
We all grumble about not enough housing, difficulty in getting a GP apt, difficulty getting children into local schools and so on. As a country we cannot cope with the number of migrants turning up on our shores. IMO the majority are not refugees fleeing persecution but more likely economic migrants seeking free healthcare, housing etc. They need to be housed somewhere and apparently we're running out of hotel space to the detriment of our tourist industry. Where else can they be housed???
More needs to be done to tackle the illegal employers which may be part of the attraction. Its generally known which businesses are likely to be illegal employers. Staff costs are huge, yet the businesses are often empty. We are missing out on taxes.
I have a field of Salad Onions next to me, it’s harvest time and it’s been descended upon by about 300 pickers, they are like ants.
I’m told they are from Kurdistan on 6 month veg picking visas.
Bat worthy
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“The lack of human feeling, and the callous attitude of many towards these poor people has made me feel quite sick.”
I think if I lived in a relatively small town or city, I would be concerned about young, healthy and probably bored young men wandering around the streets of my locality. I wonder where you live? I can imagine many posters who are upset about housing these asylum seekers on Barges etc. And yet other EU countries use such solutions and none of our Grans have ever said anything. We are living through hard times and the costs are enormous. I am more worried by our own homeless often with mental illness. I give to a charity in London helping these poor people and I am more concerned about them and families living in overcrowded homes who cannot get rehoused than I am about young men who destroy any form of identity because they know it takes so long to process them and any criminal record has gone. Added to that a high proportion of civil servants in the home office work from home and really need to be at the office to get advice about difficult cases. You may disagree but cheer up we will soon have a change of government and the wicked Tories will not be in power. Sir Keir is sure to make the system better.
Casdon
Nicenanny3
11:23MayBee70
*The Rwanda scheme isn't in operation yet, when hopefully plane loads are being flown to Rwanda it will make some think twice of paying thousands of pounds to the criminal smuggling gangs to get here*On 29 June 2023, the Court of Appeal ruled that the plan is unlawful. This reversed the High Court's decision on 19 December 2022 that the plan was lawful. It is likely this decision will be appealed, but in the meantime no asylum seekers can be sent to Rwanda.
I understood the Rwandan scheme was for asylum seekers refused asylum here. If they wont go home, whereas do they go.
The Rwanda scheme will see them sent to Rwanda for processing and to remain Freya.
To be honest, in the current housing climate they are fortunate to be offered anything. My, soon to be ex, daughter in law decided she no longer wanted to be married and wanted her share from the marital home. The only way that this could be afforded was to sell up. My son is going to use the small proceeds (they’d only lived there for 3 years) to buy a narrow boat, he will live there and the children will stay with him 3 or 4 nights a week, My daughter in law has tried for months to rent a house or flat but there are up to 100 people going after each property and with 2 children and not a very high wage earner (although she has offered to pay a year’s rent in advance out of her share of the house) she has no chance at all. Air b and b places want between £2000 and £3000 a month for a room and flats start at £7000 for a month! She’d quite like someone to come along and offer her anything at all! I know this is her decision but then all the illegal refugees made the decision to come here, didn’t they?
HousePlantQueen
Nicenanny3
450 illegals arrived today nearly one barge full.
They are not "illegals" whatever our opinion of the offshore accommodation barges is.
Until they land on our shores, and claim asylum,under maritime law,they are illegal. With no documentation or permission to enter this country.
Is it illegal to arrive in the UK by boat?
That means someone who reaches the UK on a small boat could face up to four years in prison. But people who make the Channel crossing are protected by international law if they claim asylum once they arrive.27 Apr 2023
www.channel4.com › news
Anniel good posts. I'm actually amazed and angry that according to the Government website you posted
If you’ve been refused asylum
You’ll be given:
somewhere to live
£47.93 per person on a payment card for food, clothing and toiletries
No wonder they are coming over on the dinghies
Will somebody please explain very simply why all these economic migrants etc are so keen to cross the channel?? What are the French doing right that we are doing wrong. Perhaps we should look at the French system
MillieBoris
Will somebody please explain very simply why all these economic migrants etc are so keen to cross the channel?? What are the French doing right that we are doing wrong. Perhaps we should look at the French system
Maybe this one good reason
France
Channel migrants: French politicians call on UK to overhaul 'lax' labour laws to deter crossings
Migrants stand aboard an RNLI (Royal National Lifeboat Institution) lifeboat after being rescued crossing the English channel at Dungeness, England, September 7, 2021.
By Alasdair Sandford with AFP • Updated: 12/10/2021
Calais area politicians blame the UK for lax labour laws that attract illegal migration, responding to UK criticism that the French aren't doing enough to stop Channel crossings.
French politicians hit back at the UK and at their own government on Monday as a surge in the number of migrants trying to cross the English Channel in small boats heightened tensions between the two countries.
Politicians from the region have criticised the UK for "lax" labour laws they say attract illegal migration, also calling into question the 2003 accord between France and Britain aimed at tackling the migrant crisis along the coast.
"I think it's time for the British government to change its internal law, to make it harder and harder for illegal migrants to get a job in the UK, to get a house in the UK, to live in communities in the UK," Pierre-Henri Dumont, French MP for the Calais area, told Euronews.
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"Why all these migrants are in Calais is not because they want to stay in Calais, it's because they want to go to the UK because it's easier to be illegal in the UK than anywhere else in Europe."
Describing the British as "cynical" and "sarcastic", the mayor of Calais called on President Macron to bring together various authorities to take a tougher approach and get to the root of the problem.
"The British are cynical, sarcastic, unable to reform their Labour Code because it is there, the problem, and it is they, in fact, who largely promote illegal work and therefore reinforce the pull factor," Natacha Bouchart told FranceInfo Radio.
"it is time to break the agreement of more than twenty years ago and put the ins and outs back on the table, since they are making no effort."
France rescues more than 340 UK-bound migrants in English Channel
Damien Carême, an MEP from Europe Ecology - The Greens and a former mayor of Grande Synthe near Dunkirk, described the British prime minister as untrustworthy.
"(Brexit negotiator) Michel Barnier had the confidence of Europe, and of the United Kingdom, but it is clear that it was impossible to trust Boris Johnson," he told FranceInfo. "There is a populist withdrawal under Boris Johnson which suggests that discussion is impossible."
Watch the interview with French MP Pierre-Henri Dumont below:
Carême also called for the Le Touquet treaty to be ditched: "This Le Touquet treaty is no more glorious than the treaty between Europe and Turkey to keep refugees at home".
Such calls have long been made by Xavier Bertrand, president of the Hauts-de-France region, who has now put his name forward as a candidate for the right-wing Les Républicains party in next year's presidential election.
The British government says more than 1,100 were intercepted by UK controls at sea on Friday and Saturday. According to the UK news agency the Press Association, 17,000 migrants have crossed the Channel in 2021, twice the number for 2020.
The UK has said that money promised to France to help prevent the crossings will be paid in the coming weeks.
UK to pay France €62.7 million to curb Channel migration
Britain's plan to send migrant boats back to France 'inhumane' and 'unworkable', critics say
In July, the two countries signed a deal, under which Britain would pay France €63 million, to increase patrols to clamp down on illegal migration across the Channel. But UK Home Secretary (interior minister) Priti Patel recently threatened to withhold the funding unless more people were stopped from reaching the British coast.
In September France said it would not tolerate "financial blackmail", following reports that British border gurads were to receive training on how to turn back migrant boats before they reached the English coast.
Even before the weekend's crossings, UK-French relations were further strained on Friday when Sky News broadcast images showing about twenty migrants taking to sea in broad daylight from the coastline south of Calais, in front of stationary police officers.
The French authorities say thousands of migrants are intercepted by French patrols as they try to cross to England. At the weekend, Interior Minister Gérald Darmanin called on the UK to pay up the money owed under the agreement.
"We haven't seen the financial colour of the €63 million," he said. "However, additional gendarmes have been hired and technological resources have been bought to guard this border."
The UK has far fewer asylum requests than France. It received 29,456 asylum applications in 2020, according to the House of Commons Library. Of EU countries, European Union figures say Germany had 102,500 applicants, Spain had 86,400, with France in third receiving 81,800.
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Old I know,but with the amount they let come over, perhaps they have changed their mindsl
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