Trump called to account for Capitol Riot?

If you were from the South you would probably back him and say it was all a plot to frame him by the Democrats. The more he is pursued, the more they will support him as a good ole boy with the freedom of his country at stake. I don’t think anything will shake that.

Not all Southerners back him, and he has plenty of supporters in other parts of the country. But yes, the South is a conservative hot bed. It is called The Bible Belt after all.

Of course his supporters would martyr him. But if he is behind bars, he cant be in the Oval Office. All we need is a 4 year sentence and the right felony conviction...

Pipe dreams I suppose.

Trump faces 78 criminal counts in total - so far.

Surely they will get him now?

What is it about populism that deafens peoples ears and dulls their brains?

Ask Boris, ask Tony Blair, ask Chairman Mao. People get swept along with enthusiasm, looking for a ‘saviour.’ It especially works well when people are poor and oppressed. Hitler was another example. You need a certain capability in public speaking,too.

Well I m no great admirer of Tony Blair but he’s an intelligent man who did a lot of good for the country before the big mistake of taking us to war, how the hell you can connect him with Trump is beyond me and liken him to Hitler !!! Nanna8

4 new counts, but, apparently, he still the most popular Republican candidate.🤔

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66263089

Blair was not a populist.

nanna8

Ask Boris, ask Tony Blair, ask Chairman Mao. People get swept along with enthusiasm, looking for a ‘saviour.’ It especially works well when people are poor and oppressed. Hitler was another example. You need a certain capability in public speaking,too.

I think people greatly overestimate those with a cult like view of populist leaders.

If you divide voters into three parts, right, center/independent and left they will be quite close in number but in the US the right will be slightly larger than the left. In the UK the left is slightly larger than the right and this is true in most of the colder countries of Europe.

Of the people on the right in the USA it is estimated that only 9% of the population, 30% of the 30%, are Trump's core. Like so many activists they are a very noisy group and seem larger than they are.

However Trump cannot win without attracting the rest of that group and possibly some from the center. Although these latest indictments may harden his core, it is also likely they will turn away some of those who are voting simply because he is the right wing candidate.

To know whether Tony Blair was a populist leader we would have to look back at the voting. You also need to take into account the fact that we do not vote for the leader in this country.

The politics in this country really are very different to the politics in the USA, although some people not do not seem to be aware of that. We really are very different countries.

According to a recent poll (reported by Newsnight) 34% favour Trump and 34% Biden. That leaves 32% as don't knows or nonvoters. I hope there are enough to swing the election against Trump but the votes have to pass through the electoral college system which gives some States more weight. The various indictments should influence the don't knows against Trump unless he grabs control of the news agenda.

That sounds about right Grantanow, if you think of the original just more than a third who see themselves as Republicans. We will no doubt have a great deal more television and radio telling us just how things are moving in the run up to the next election.

BlueBelle

Well I m no great admirer of Tony Blair but he’s an intelligent man who did a lot of good for the country before the big mistake of taking us to war, how the hell you can connect him with Trump is beyond me and liken him to Hitler !!! Nanna8

Agree, it was a bizzare post.

I don’t think that Trump is a great public speaker, either! Unless you count pulling funny faces, clapping and pointing at people as being one.

The idea of another 4 years of Trump is so appalling in world terms I just pray for the cases going through the court to stop in tracks.

I really thought we were rid of him. I can understand, up to a point, poor people voting for someone who promises them the earth but what I don’t understand is devout Christians voting for someone so immoral and women voting for him knowing his attitude towards them.

I think, sometimes, people find it very easy to conveniently forget about the lack of morals in politicians.

Conservative voters in this country are, by majority, older people. Many are church goers, and many are traditionalists. According to them, anyway. The Grey vote, as they call it.

Yet, they turned a blind eye to Johnson, who was a self confessed adulterer, and a congenital liar, to boot. And he had huge support, at one time.

It's beyond me. 😗

DAR

The term populism has a particular meaning in political science. It does not mean popular.

I think most people want things put in simplistic terms. Politics isn’t black and white. There are a lot of grey areas. But people don’t vote for people who might say ‘I don’t actually know’. They want their politicians to speak in a positive way, even if what they say is undoable. Johnson is a prime example of that. Get Brexit Done. Take Back Control. Trump had Drain the Swamp. A Republican supporter on tv today was talking about ‘ the elite’ because he’d been brainwashed by Trump into thinking ‘the elite’ were to blame for everything. Over here it’s ‘migrants’. I know I’m in Gary Lineker territory here but we all know who Hitler blamed for everything. I honestly don’t know how we’re going to move on from all this.

Trump has always maintained that once he gets the chance to tell “the truth” that he will be proved right in everything he says.

Now’s his chance.

For anybody who is interested in the detail there’s a really good leader on CNN, which goes into a lot more detail than the British press have done. It’s a quagmire.
edition.cnn.com/2023/08/02/politics/trump-latest-indictment-consequences/index.html

For balance let’s be aware the noose is tightening around the Bidens. Hunter’s laptop/Russian involvement is gaining traction.

Hence why Trump & Biden are neck and neck in polls over there for the White House occupancy next year ...

There’s a way to go yet folks.

Did I liken him to Hitler ? I don’t think so. I just said he was a populist Do not read things that are not there please.

Urmstongran

For balance let’s be aware the noose is tightening around the Bidens. Hunter’s laptop/Russian involvement is gaining traction.

Hence why Trump & Biden are neck and neck in polls over there for the White House occupancy next year ...

There’s a way to go yet folks.

So if Trump gets found guilty over any of the indictments, do you think it is desirable that he pardons himself if he wins the election?

No I don’t.

If Trump is found guilty he won’t run. In my opinion.
Time will tell.

Urmstongran

No I don’t.

If Trump is found guilty he won’t run. In my opinion.
Time will tell.

Oh that is interesting.

I think it is going to be incredibly interesting - but them I’m a bit odd😄😄😄

I recall Trump encouraging people to 'go and get back what is ours' or words very close to that which resulted in the Capitol riots. An assistant of his is reported in The Times today as saying he stood beside Trump at the time, and he heard Trump appeal for a peaceful demonstration. Does anyone else recall watching that particular news item, as I am keen to know who has re written history - Trump's associate, or me?