Trump called to account for Capitol Riot?

Whitewavemark2

DAR

The term populism has a particular meaning in political science. It does not mean popular.

Did I make it sound as if it did Whitewave? Sorry if it read like that. I did try to give a comprehensive and clear reply. It doesn't always work for everyone.

In reading today's NYTimes I found:

Aug. 2, 2023, 8:42 a.m.
19 minutes ago
Alan Feuer and Maggie Haberman

The special counsel accused Trump of taking part in three conspiracies.

In sweeping terms, the indictment described how former President Donald J. Trump and six co-conspirators employed a variety of means to reverse his defeat in the election almost from the moment that voting ended.Credit...Maddie McGarvey for The New York Times

Former President Donald J. Trump was indicted on Tuesday in connection with his widespread efforts to overturn the 2020 election following a sprawling federal investigation into his attempts to cling to power after losing the presidency.

The indictment, filed by the special counsel Jack Smith in Federal District Court in Washington, accuses Mr. Trump of three conspiracies: one to defraud the United States; a second to obstruct an official government proceeding, the certification of the Electoral College vote; and a third to deprive people of a civil right, the right to have their votes counted. Mr. Trump was also charged with a fourth count of obstructing or attempting to obstruct an official proceeding.

I wonder why the co-conspirators haven’t been indicted yet? Assuming they will be.

Apparently Trumps lawyer wants the trial moved to the Southern states - not convinced it should be as the crime took place in Washington DC and imo the trial should be heard there.

LovesBach

I recall Trump encouraging people to 'go and get back what is ours' or words very close to that which resulted in the Capitol riots. An assistant of his is reported in The Times today as saying he stood beside Trump at the time, and he heard Trump appeal for a peaceful demonstration. Does anyone else recall watching that particular news item, as I am keen to know who has re written history - Trump's associate, or me?

It’s a bit like Johnson lying to parliament. I heard it myself. It was obvious he was encouraging the protesters. He refused to acknowledge Biden’s win.

As I've been called Trumpian on here, by a certain individual, I've just listened, well actually read, the transcript of his speech before the Capital riot. No I do not endorse this man, after all I'm not an American, although I have family members living there, who also do not. I have heard of selective hearing, usually from my dear SIL, re my brother but honestly, the selective hearing on the left is amazing

"Anyone you want, but I think right here, we're going to walk down to the Capitol, and we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them.

Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated.

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
Taken from his speech, but you can all listen, its on you tube, transcript also.

Let's have a fair hearing, everyone is entitled to such, no matter what all think on here. Bye.

freya it is about far more than Trumps speech on the day - although I watched it on the day (CNN) , and distinctly remember thinking that he was riling up the crowd. However it is more than that, it is about his actions before, during and after the insurrection.

I have been trying to work out all the cases to be tried.

So far
There is the case to be tried in New York over the falsification of business records - I think this was in order to obtain loans to which he wasn’t entitled and maybe the IR are involved?

Then there is the concealment and taking highly classified documents at Mar-a-Lago.

Then Fulton County Georgia, where he tried to over turn the election result by asking the governor to “find” votes.

Then he was lost a defamation case against a woman on sexual assault.

Then the latest - which must be the most serious of the entire lot.

If he had succeeded the USA would have almost certainly descended into civil war, and Trump would have ridden a coach and horses through the constitution.

An American friend sent this

😄

The strange system (to us), in America is that Trump could be convicted, still be elected as President, pardon himself and go from jail to the White House....😳

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12366601/JUSTIN-WEBB-Americas-slowly-waking-nightmare-prison-not-stop-Trump-elected-President-pardon-driven-cell-White-House.html

DiamondLily

The strange system (to us), in America is that Trump could be convicted, still be elected as President, pardon himself and go from jail to the White House....😳

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12366601/JUSTIN-WEBB-Americas-slowly-waking-nightmare-prison-not-stop-Trump-elected-President-pardon-driven-cell-White-House.html

Quite frankly if that happens I think it will throw the whole American judicial system into crises.

If the reporting is accurate, it’s incredible to think that a) the Republicans think someone as slimy as Trump is the best person to represent them, b) that Trump’s legal bill for this year alone is already more then $56m, all paid for by donations, and c) that all these charges don’t exclude him from standing for election and sitting as president.

Whitewavemark2 - the defamation case was won by the claimant but Trump refuses to pay her compensation and continues to call her horrible names so it’s back to court,! The man knows no shame!

DiamondLily

The strange system (to us), in America is that Trump could be convicted, still be elected as President, pardon himself and go from jail to the White House....😳

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12366601/JUSTIN-WEBB-Americas-slowly-waking-nightmare-prison-not-stop-Trump-elected-President-pardon-driven-cell-White-House.html

I know! It seems impossible to us here in Britain doesn’t it?
Please God he doesn’t get elected, in or out of prison. I’m quite afraid of that happening. The world is unsafe enough, I dread to think of the situation should he be elected.

I would say, maddyone, that there seem to be some gaping holes in the laws to protect both American and British democracy. I would guess this is true in many democratic countries. Although what has happened here is very different I don't think it was any less worrying. The idea that we rely on people being "good chaps" seems such an anachronism that you have to wonder when it was "in place in time".

Apparently Trump has a solid 35% in the nominations. The question is whether he can raise that high enough to actually win the election, should he win the nomination.

I find it both scary and annoying that the majority of the press here report that it’s very possible Trump could win but don’t put his support into context. They say his fan base is huge, growing with every charge and hint that the election is in the bag - the prospect of President Trump again makes me despair. I’ve read US reports that put a different slant on things.

I don’t know if anyone remembers but in the lead up to the election, Trump was constantly talking about fraud etc. Bannon apparently said that the game plan was declare a fraudulent election in the event Trump lost the election.

maddyone

DiamondLily

The strange system (to us), in America is that Trump could be convicted, still be elected as President, pardon himself and go from jail to the White House....😳

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12366601/JUSTIN-WEBB-Americas-slowly-waking-nightmare-prison-not-stop-Trump-elected-President-pardon-driven-cell-White-House.html

I know! It seems impossible to us here in Britain doesn’t it?
Please God he doesn’t get elected, in or out of prison. I’m quite afraid of that happening. The world is unsafe enough, I dread to think of the situation should he be elected.

My son lives out there, and some residents are getting genuinely concerned about the political polarisation out there ending in causing widescale civil unrest.

Despite all evidence to the contrary, many Trump supporters still remain convinced that the last election was stolen from him.🙄

They haven't got any rules to stop a convicted prisoner standing for President - I suppose this situation never occurred to anyone before.

Thankfully, under our party system, and long standing Parliamentary rules, it couldn't happen over here.

If Sunak was accused of all this, let alone convicted, he would be out of the job and any future in politics. These are serious charges.

Let's hope normal Americans don't vote for him.

Mind you, it would help if the Democrats could put someone more sensible than their front running candidate. Biden doesn't inspire much confidence.😗

I’m most excited about the election tampering charges. The Orange Clown got himself caught on tape telling officials to “find” votes for him to win.

Yes, but I think todays is by far the potentially the most serious.

What a disgraceful man he is. He turns my stomach. I genuinely just dont understand the mentality of his followers. He needs to be incarcerated for a very very long time.

I saw him on the news earlier today. I know it’s quite trivial in the bigger picture, but he really is orange isn’t he? I could clearly see a line where he’s either applied some very orange make up, or he’s put very orange fake tan on. The white line next to his hairline was clearly visible.

74 separate charges..surely some of them must stick?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-66390992

DiamondLily

maddyone

DiamondLily

The strange system (to us), in America is that Trump could be convicted, still be elected as President, pardon himself and go from jail to the White House....😳

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12366601/JUSTIN-WEBB-Americas-slowly-waking-nightmare-prison-not-stop-Trump-elected-President-pardon-driven-cell-White-House.html

I know! It seems impossible to us here in Britain doesn’t it?
Please God he doesn’t get elected, in or out of prison. I’m quite afraid of that happening. The world is unsafe enough, I dread to think of the situation should he be elected.

My son lives out there, and some residents are getting genuinely concerned about the political polarisation out there ending in causing widescale civil unrest.

Despite all evidence to the contrary, many Trump supporters still remain convinced that the last election was stolen from him.🙄

They haven't got any rules to stop a convicted prisoner standing for President - I suppose this situation never occurred to anyone before.

Thankfully, under our party system, and long standing Parliamentary rules, it couldn't happen over here.

If Sunak was accused of all this, let alone convicted, he would be out of the job and any future in politics. These are serious charges.

Let's hope normal Americans don't vote for him.

Mind you, it would help if the Democrats could put someone more sensible than their front running candidate. Biden doesn't inspire much confidence.😗

I believe you can stand in a GE in the UK as long as you only have a year left to serve. How the affects becoming PM , I don't know.

Jon Sopel is of the opinion that Pence will probably loose what we would call deposit. He is also of the opinion that Trump could win the election.
I think I will place a bet when the bookings open.
I won a tidy sum when he first won the presidency so if he looses I won’t be out of pocket.