White Privilege - MET Police

We wouldn't in my family...

We all struggle at times because ASC is diagnosed due to struggles and we just live and support each other through it

But I haven't used ASC as an excuse for a single thing

Any other area of my life it is helpful for me and others to know

Here it is a stick to beat you with

VioletSky

We wouldn't in my family...

We all struggle at times because ASC is diagnosed due to struggles and we just live and support each other through it

We also support each other, we have a sense of humour which is probably unique to us.

None of our very large family take ourselves seriously, life’s to short to be serious.

I'm glad for you

If you can show me where you believe I used ASC as a card, rather than explaining why I found a comment personal... Maybe we can move past this

VioletSky

I'm glad for you

If you can show me where you believe I used ASC as a card, rather than explaining why I found a comment personal... Maybe we can move past this

It wasn’t me who brought up ASC

I have just responded to your posts.

It wasn't me who brought up ASC either

So again, where have I played it as an excuse or a card?

VS you seem to be claiming something that wasn’t said.
My DGS has and ASC diagnosis and used to say I won when there was nothing to win when he was younger. He grew out of that, though he still obviously has other issues.
I didn’t mention you.
We supported, and still support him, but that’s nothing to do with the OP and the thread, so I’m not sure how this now seems to be AAY.

You must surely understand, as soon as you start making personal comments, of course you lose

It doesn't matter the cause or discussion. It doesn't matter if you are morally or factually right or wrong...

Make personal comments and you lose

Discuss, be passionate, be angry but personal is never ok, especially if you are doing it to a person who doesn't reciprocate

We haven’t seen what happened before the distressing scene depicted in the only available video, so what actually did happen remains a mystery other than what has been claimed by the police etc. There may have been aggravating factors on both sides - things aren’t always as clear-cut as we are led to believe.

That video shows things being handled very badly, and it’s the only direct evidence we have of the manner in which the woman was being treated at that time. By then, her ticket had been seen and found valid. What was the excuse for continuing to restrain her and keep her away from her distressed child?

I doubt whether there is an obvious answer as to why she didn’t willingly produce her valid ticket when asked - previous experiences might have predisposed her to reacting in a way that many of us would not have. Who knows?

VioletSky

You must surely understand, as soon as you start making personal comments, of course you lose

It doesn't matter the cause or discussion. It doesn't matter if you are morally or factually right or wrong...

Make personal comments and you lose

Discuss, be passionate, be angry but personal is never ok, especially if you are doing it to a person who doesn't reciprocate

Pretending not to be personal whilst constantly reciprocating seems to be your forté, VS.
This thread is about a lady who refused to show her ticket when asked and then threw a tantrum, upsetting her son.
No one who was not there or was personally involved knows the full facts of the case.

Statement from Metropolitan Police.
The woman involved in this incident was asked to provide her ticket but did not do so. She was spoken to by a TfL Inspector, then by a PCSO . and finally by a Police Officer. She continued to try to walk away and did not provide her ticket for inspection.
She was arrested on suspicion of fare evasion and was handcuffed. When officers were able to take her ticket from her so TfL could check it they were able to confirm it was valid. She was de-arrested and the handcuffs were removed.

The woman was asked three times by three separate people to show her ticket.
She continued to walk away.
She was arrested and handcuffed.
When officers were able to take her ticket from her it was found to be valid.
The sequence of events is important.
There is no valid reason why she repeatedly refused and ignored the request.

eazybee exactly

Such people have an agenda. Causing a scene, wasting police time and excessive anger issues, all for nothing, pity the child.

From your account given by the police eazyybee Im guessing She was affronted at being asked to show her ticket and then it escalated, and without knowing her emotional state before the incident occurred, it may have been the straw that broke the camels back. All I know is I’ve acted irrationally and irresponsibly at times and no doubt I will in the future, I put it down to human nature being fragile in certain circumstances

Thanks for the detail eazybee.
Stormystar, speculating on the background to the woman’s refusal to co-operate doesn’t excuse her behaviour. We all have histories, or bad days but society needs us to conform as best we can to normal rules of engagement.

As someone who wasn’t there, and who doesn’t know the woman’s circumstances or life experience, I’d rather speculate than jump to conclusions.

Yes your right Iam64 and equally there is no excuse for two police officers to manhandle this woman as they did. Easy target, easy arrest, who knows. Normal rules of engagement, sounds like a war game

Thanks for your info eazybee.
You are right Iam64 but whatever sort of day she was having, why risk upsetting her child, by continually refusing to cooperate, especially as it appears her ticket was valid.
Re the easy target, easy arrest
Stormystar, Your who knows is the most accurate part of that. People have been known to pull out a weapon when being challenged and who knows what actions someone prepared to upset their child rather than show a ticket might have used.

She had her ticket in her hand

She had it in her hand as they twisted her arm behind her back and she screamed in pain

She had her ticket in her hand as they handcuffed her

It was an Oyster card, we can clearly see it in the video and so could the witness who filmed the incident

No one disagrees that she should have shown her ticket but a police response should be proportional, even ex police officers have weighed in and said her treatment was too rough.

We live in an age of mobile phones where officers can easily be held accountable and so they should be when they arrest a woman for ticket evasion while the ticket is in her hand

The police response was proportionate; she was resisting arrest after having been asked three times to show her ticket but continued to walk away.

Yes eazybee. It all boils down to, if you’re not willing to obey even the simplest rules, then you can’t really complain about the steps taken.
It has been interesting to see those who defend people’s rights to disobey rules that apply to everyone.

So we arrest people for having a ticket now?

Dystopia

No.
People are arrested for refusing to show a ticket when asked.

The one in her hand she was trying to show them?

The moral of her story is: Either abide by the rules we ALL have to follow, or, if she doesn't want to do that, she needs to find an alternative method of transport.

What a conflated fuss about a simple ticket request...🙄