White Privilege - MET Police

The issue is one of refusing to comply with lawful process in full knowledge of the consequences.

Anything else is pure conjecture

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VioletSky

And detracting from what black people experience is quite frowned upon in many circles

Oh really??!! Seems to me that if they’re of a certain mindset anyone can be offended by anything! D’you know what the BEST thing would be? To not mention COLOUR at all!!! There’s good and bad in all people, all creeds and all cultures - no need to bring colour into it - including in the heading of the original post!

Being asked, quite reasonably, to show her bus ticket has not had a social and economic impact on that woman’s whole life. Her poor behaviour may have had a lasting impact on her young child’s life and she’ll, no doubt, tell him it was the wicked white policemen being nasty due to her skin colour.

Black people are subject to the same laws as the rest of the population and that’s not racism although I agree it exists.

The examples given are one offs, and one offs can be 'racist' but bear no comparison with day in, day out racism and discrimination in multiple settings- which have a cumulative effect over many many years- and can trigger strong reactions- not because of that particular event, but because of the cumulative aspect.

Unless you have close friends and family who have experienced this, you probably would not really be aware or understand.

One month, or one gig - is not going to give you a true picture of what it feels like when it happens over years and years, on a regular and repetitive basis.

This is what racism and oppression has achieved

People not having the same opportunities in life. It effects subsequent generations

youtu.be/yZ670ooc6Qc

I was turned away from a Ska club in Lewisham in the 60s dispute the fact that I was with my black friend.

And detracting from what black people experience is quite frowned upon in many circles

VioletSky

All the time you are in the west, you cannot experience racism due to the power balance of white people.

You can experience discrimination but not racism in the UK or in western countries, as a white person

You would have to be a minority group in a country where everyone belonging to your minority group is treated as inferior to experience racism

I don't make the definitions of words but that's the truth

So if you walk up to a black person in the UK and say you have experienced racism in the UK or other western countries they would probably feel offended

Here is what I said quoted again Grannygravy so that you can see that I didn't say otherwise

But again, you would have to be discriminated against on a social and economic level in a country you lived in to have any idea what racial prejudice feels like to black people in the UK

VioletSky

I give up

I'm trying to educate not having a go

Have you ever lived in a predominantly black Country?

Have you ever been ignored in a shop in that country?

Have you ever been made to wait in a restaurant/bar in that country whilst locals were seated /served before you?

One of our AC can answer yes to all of the above, when we visited for a month, we can answer yes to the second two.

So please do not try to educate me or others on here who may have had similar experiences.

I give up

I'm trying to educate not having a go

If you’re discriminated against because you’re a different colour, it’s racist.

Also again technically, people being rude at the airport wherever it is is not going to have a social and economical impact on your entire life as so again that would be discrimination

Discrimination isn't a good thing either but in order to combat discrimination and racism it's important to understand what both actually mean

If you don't, then you risk not having the understanding of what minority groups actual face and that doesn't fight against it

All the time you are in the west, you cannot experience racism due to the power balance of white people.

You can experience discrimination but not racism in the UK or in western countries, as a white person

You would have to be a minority group in a country where everyone belonging to your minority group is treated as inferior to experience racism

I don't make the definitions of words but that's the truth

So if you walk up to a black person in the UK and say you have experienced racism in the UK or other western countries they would probably feel offended

VioletSky

It's not racism

Unless all white people have been systematically oppressed in all areas of their lives no matter their nationality or culture just for having a certain skin colour... It's not racism

Having had a horrendous experience at Passport/Border control getting out of an African Country, I have definitely experienced racism.

The staff were dreadful in their attitude, body language and in the way they spoke to me and then laughed between in each other in their own language.

It's not racism

Unless all white people have been systematically oppressed in all areas of their lives no matter their nationality or culture just for having a certain skin colour... It's not racism

Of course it’s racism if white people are targeted.

I think it is racism. I’m not talking about British airports, haven’t been to one for several years now.

Specially designated PLACE. Sigh.

Oh for goodness sake! The woman could have stopped this getting out of hand (and therefore protected her child from witnessing a very traumatising scene!!) by simply showing her ticket when asked! As for her ‘brother’ - surely if he was indeed that, he wouldn’t be heard asking ‘is this her child?’ in the video?? Some people don’t help themselves ….

I got quite excited at "carpet h" - I thought perhaps it was a specially designated you got sent to if you set the alarm off.
I haven't flown much recently. 🙃

nanna8

What you describe is not racism

Bodach

"Let her off because she's screaming and shouting? Because her male relative was creating a huge fuss? Colour, gender?"
He wasn't a relative. He was reported as saying that he regards any black female as being his "sister".

Apologies. It was reported, in the report I read, to be her brother.

nanna8

I get searched a lot ,too and for some reason I always set alarms off. I haven’t got any knee replacements,hip replacements or anything like that and I don’t have jewellery on. I think they are set to ‘carpet h’ every 10 the person as a warning to others or something. Also, they pick people who look as though they won’t cause trouble and white grannies fit the bill. I actually think it is quite racist , they are picking on white Anglo saxons who are a minority race on this side of the world.

I’ve thought the same in the past at Gatwick here tbh 😁

‘Carpet h’ = ‘catch’