Brexit Import controls delayed for the FOURTH TIME!

Norah

GrannyGravy13 There is total freedom of movement of people and goods across the EU member states.

Indeed.

Total movement here as well. Purchase from any British decent organic butcher you choose, no need to support the 'fraudsters'.

This kind of food/meat won't find their way to your local butcher, indeed. It will find its way into cheap prepared, processed foods, at the cheaper end. The concept of choice, and buyin from local trusted butcher, is not one for the masses- that is the reality.

What is the proportion of the population of the UK, I wonder- buy all their meat from local organic butcher?

Yes, free movement in EU, but very tightly controlled, with very tight regulations and provenance declared by law in many countries.

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

Food moving within the EU would presumably be subject to checks by local public health inspectors, just as it is in the UK. Intra EU traders who violate the RU food standards legislation would be subject to prosecution and sanctions. As we are no longer in the EU we don't have legislative protection in the same way. Would we be able to prosecute a supplier from an EU state?

Not sure on the prosecution part.

So basically we need more food inspectors in the U.K., which we would have needed if we had remained part of the EU, so nothing to do with us no longer being a member state.

It’s a problem internally within the UK, not just an EU issue. Abattoirs and meat processing plants are very regularly in the news for breaching hygiene regulations, and more are closed down every year. Here’s one of the latest, but you don’t have to look hard to find many more.
www.grocerygazette.co.uk/2023/03/30/rotting-meat-supermarkets/

Hmm I'm not sure what dodgy Spanish rotten food was being served up, but 40 crew members on the Brittany Ferries ship from Santander have just gone down with food poisoning, (not nirovirus), and the boat was diverted to Brest to take the sufferers to hospital. I hope they make a full recovery.
Nothing necessarily to do with this Brexit thread, but shows poor food standards are to be found within the EU.

I was horrified to find that meat from deforested areas of S America was reaching the EU. Animals subjected to horrendously long journeys without food or water, such that they lost huge amounts of weight, in such heat that someone couldn’t touch the iron bars of the lorries. I wouldn’t eat any meat which didn’t come from animals raised and slaughtered in humane conditions in the UK if you paid me. When I eat out, if the provenance of meat isn’t clear I always choose the vegetarian option.

So much for the EU.

MaizieD

Food moving within the EU would presumably be subject to checks by local public health inspectors, just as it is in the UK. Intra EU traders who violate the RU food standards legislation would be subject to prosecution and sanctions. As we are no longer in the EU we don't have legislative protection in the same way. Would we be able to prosecute a supplier from an EU state?

Not sure on the prosecution part.

So basically we need more food inspectors in the U.K., which we would have needed if we had remained part of the EU, so nothing to do with us no longer being a member state.

Food moving within the EU would presumably be subject to checks by local public health inspectors, just as it is in the UK. Intra EU traders who violate the RU food standards legislation would be subject to prosecution and sanctions. As we are no longer in the EU we don't have legislative protection in the same way. Would we be able to prosecute a supplier from an EU state?

Whitewavemark2

The good thing is that if we were sensible and introduced various closer working measures, then this worry over the quality of the meat would disappear.

It will come.

I am obviously missing something here, the meat is originating/coming from/through EU Countries with no border checks or controls, so if we were still in the EU it wouldn’t be checked at our borders anyway.

The good thing is that if we were sensible and introduced various closer working measures, then this worry over the quality of the meat would disappear.

It will come.

GrannyGravy13 There is total freedom of movement of people and goods across the EU member states.

Indeed.

Total movement here as well. Purchase from any British decent organic butcher you choose, no need to support the 'fraudsters'.

It may also interest you to know that I and everyone I know and I would expect the rest of GN have had no probs at all with anything at all substandard, food or anything else.

Fleurpepper

Oreo

GrannyGravy13

I see a thread were people are challenging the content of the opening post as apposed to attacking the opening poster.

Exactly.
The OP seems to have changed her tune since she was told there are no probs with goods coming into the UK from Europe, which she obvs didn’t realise. So no point to the thread really.

Pardon? Honestly?

Yes honestly Fleurpepper go read your own OP. You thought there were probs with EU countries sending their goods here.
Until you were told otherwise.

DaisyAnneReturns

Germanshepherdsmum

I agree wwm, but the OP has something of a Brexit obsession.

It seems you may have an obsession with OP GSM.

Now, I feel I shouldn't be suggesting someone discussing another Gnetter is "obsessed". It's too close to a personal insult.

So why do you think you can keep insulting Fleurpepper in a way that seems well outside the Talk Guidelines?

Now here’s a conundrum, if being obsessed with a subject is an insult, you’ve just insulted Germanshephersmum
Actually it isn’t an insult it’s an observation. So stop invoking talk guidelines.

Germanshepherdsmum

Not this again! And OP doesn’t live in the UK or the EU.

Indeed, Maizie.

Yes, second comment.

Oreo

GrannyGravy13

I see a thread were people are challenging the content of the opening post as apposed to attacking the opening poster.

Exactly.
The OP seems to have changed her tune since she was told there are no probs with goods coming into the UK from Europe, which she obvs didn’t realise. So no point to the thread really.

Pardon? Honestly?

GrannyGravy13

I see a thread were people are challenging the content of the opening post as apposed to attacking the opening poster.

Exactly.
The OP seems to have changed her tune since she was told there are no probs with goods coming into the UK from Europe, which she obvs didn’t realise. So no point to the thread really.

😄😄😄 that’s certainly one point of view

Indeed. And nothing at all, even in the pipeline, to stop them.

Fleurpepper

MaizieD

A little snippet from the Financial Times last July

^Last month, the Financial Times revealed that the FSA had warned pig farmers of illegal “white van” shipments of pork meat coming to Britain from Romania, which has been battling a surging outbreak of African swine fever in its animals.^

Indeed- so the meat is not 'rotten' - there is no visible signs or smells- just massive danger for our own agricultural sector.

And NO Callistemon, those issues are not being faced by other European countries. Brexit and the failure to plan for the consequences, and the total incompetence of the Government, has left the UK wide opened to fraudsters and the mafias out there. They will exploit this as long as they can.

There is total freedom of movement of people and goods across the EU member states.

Who knows what fraudsters and mafias are doing within the Schengen zone?

MaizieD

A little snippet from the Financial Times last July

^Last month, the Financial Times revealed that the FSA had warned pig farmers of illegal “white van” shipments of pork meat coming to Britain from Romania, which has been battling a surging outbreak of African swine fever in its animals.^

Indeed- so the meat is not 'rotten' - there is no visible signs or smells- just massive danger for our own agricultural sector.

And NO Callistemon, those issues are not being faced by other European countries. Brexit and the failure to plan for the consequences, and the total incompetence of the Government, has left the UK wide opened to fraudsters and the mafias out there. They will exploit this as long as they can.

Fleurpepper

Apologies, I got it all wrong-

delayed for the FIFTH time

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/aug/03/uk-brexit-checks-fresh-food-eu-delayed-fifth-time-reports?CMP=share_btn_fb

😄😄😄- you’ve just managed to irritate all the moaners😄😄😄

GrannyGravy13

I see a thread were people are challenging the content of the opening post as apposed to attacking the opening poster.

Nonssense and you know it. If the first comments say 'you don't even live here, so why are you talking about it' or words to that effect- how can that lead to a sensible discussion on the issues raised. You know this very very well.

Apologies, I got it all wrong-

delayed for the FIFTH time

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/aug/03/uk-brexit-checks-fresh-food-eu-delayed-fifth-time-reports?CMP=share_btn_fb

If we depended on just British food, there would have to be food rationing or the poor would go hungry as they couldn’t afford it.

A little snippet from the Financial Times last July

Last month, the Financial Times revealed that the FSA had warned pig farmers of illegal “white van” shipments of pork meat coming to Britain from Romania, which has been battling a surging outbreak of African swine fever in its animals.

The Food Standards Agency doesn't seem too happy about lack of import controls

This from their 2021 report:

The report highlights two particular areas of concern. Firstly there has been a fall in the level of local authority inspections of food businesses. The situation is in the process of being repaired – in particular in food hygiene inspections of cafés and restaurants – but progress is being constrained by resource and the availability of qualified professionals.

The second is in relation to the import of food from the EU. To enhance levels of assurance on higher-risk EU food like meat, dairy and eggs, and food and feed that has come to the UK via the EU, it is essential that improved controls are put in place to the timescale that the UK Government has set out (by the end of 2023). The longer the UK operates without assurance from the exporting country that products meet the UK’s high food and feed safety standards the less confident we can be that we can effectively identify potential safety incidents.

It is vital that the UK has the ability to prevent entry of unsafe food and identify and respond to changing risks. Although we have considered these challenges carefully and put other arrangements within our control in place, they are not, in our view,sufficient. We are therefore committed to working with government departments to ensure that the introduction of these improved import controls provides high levels of protection for UK consumers.

www.food.gov.uk/sites/default/files/media/document/11105-FSA-Annual%20Report%20on%20Food%20Standards-27.06.Accessible.pdf