Brexit Import controls delayed for the FOURTH TIME!

Callistemon21

^Even the rich who can afford to go skiing- and will get stuck in the long queues, be it at the airports or Calais- and py much higher costs. But it is not about them^ ...

I know a few people who go skiing and wouldn't call them rich, just comfortably off.
The rich wouldn't get stuck in queues as they'd go by private jet.

I've been stuck in long queues before Brexit. It was because of heightened security at airports.

Yes, skiing became available to a much wider audience in last 20-30 years. But with Sterling being so low, and bills back home going up and up due to inflation, added to inflation in the countries of destination- it seems that it will once again, be a sport and destinations for the very well off/rich.

As for the queues- surely you do read the news, and are aware that proper checks for passports + stamping, and proper checks for outgoing and incoming goods- will make the queues much worse, at airports, but mainly in Dover and Folkestones, and especially at key times like Christmas, Feb haf-term, easter, and July/August + october half term.

But truly, this thread is not about skiing for goodness sake!

As for meat coming in and other produce- it is not about it being 'rotten' it is about possible diseases like foot and mouth, TB, and other.

Callistemon21

^It is indeed the UK that is getting badly damaged, in 100s of ways- including unchecked imports from EU. If they have ny rotten or diseased meat to get rid or faulty goods, they can just send them here^

Well, that makes the EU sound extremely unethical. Quite disgusting, in fact - selling rotten or diseased meat. Do they have no standards?

Why did I vote to remain in such an institution?

It wouldn't be 'the EU' it would be those dishonest fraudsters, individuals or groups, mafia or otherwise- to take advantage of the fact there are currently NO checks at all for goods coming in to the UK. Because the UK has not organised for them, has not implemented them (now for the 4th time), and because the UK does not have the staff or the vets, to carry out the checks anyhow. In such circumstances, sadly, individuals and groups will take advantage- NOT THE EU.

Callistemon21

Callistemon21

Germanshepherdsmum

Not this again! And OP doesn’t live in the UK or the EU.

Indeed, Maizie.

Good point.

But because the country where you live (whatever your nationality) has a different relationship with the EU which sounds interesting.

Would it be worth the UK pursuing a closer relationship with the EU along the same lines?

Now that is an interesting question. Remember at the time, a great deal was talked about a Norway style deal, similar to the one the UK has with Switzerland. That would have been quite possible, but Johnson chose to go for the hardest of deals. Norway style would have had one condition, not negotiable, and that would have been Free Movement of People.

Callistemon21

^It is indeed the UK that is getting badly damaged, in 100s of ways- including unchecked imports from EU. If they have ny rotten or diseased meat to get rid or faulty goods, they can just send them here^

Well, that makes the EU sound extremely unethical. Quite disgusting, in fact - selling rotten or diseased meat. Do they have no standards?

Why did I vote to remain in such an institution?

And those receiving the supposed rotten meat? What are they doing with it? Unless people are regulated, and constantly checked they will find ways to fiddle the system. People are the same the world over.

Callistemon21

^It is indeed the UK that is getting badly damaged, in 100s of ways- including unchecked imports from EU. If they have ny rotten or diseased meat to get rid or faulty goods, they can just send them here^

Well, that makes the EU sound extremely unethical. Quite disgusting, in fact - selling rotten or diseased meat. Do they have no standards?

Why did I vote to remain in such an institution?

It doesn't make the EU unethical. The EU isn't an individual, it's essentially a regulatory body which endeavours to provide a level playing field for trade between its members.

It is individuals within the EU who, like similar individuals worldwide, are unethical. Outside the EU we don't have recourse to any EU disciplinary bodies to deal with abuses of regulatory standards. And we are choosing not to implement import controls because it would not only cause delays at the border but also add to the cost of imported food.

It is indeed the UK that is getting badly damaged, in 100s of ways- including unchecked imports from EU. If they have ny rotten or diseased meat to get rid or faulty goods, they can just send them here

Well, that makes the EU sound extremely unethical. Quite disgusting, in fact - selling rotten or diseased meat. Do they have no standards?

Why did I vote to remain in such an institution?

Callistemon21

Germanshepherdsmum

Not this again! And OP doesn’t live in the UK or the EU.

Indeed, Maizie.

Good point.

But because the country where you live (whatever your nationality) has a different relationship with the EU which sounds interesting.

Would it be worth the UK pursuing a closer relationship with the EU along the same lines?

Germanshepherdsmum

Not this again! And OP doesn’t live in the UK or the EU.

Indeed, Maizie.

Good point.

Even the rich who can afford to go skiing- and will get stuck in the long queues, be it at the airports or Calais- and py much higher costs. But it is not about them ...

I know a few people who go skiing and wouldn't call them rich, just comfortably off.
The rich wouldn't get stuck in queues as they'd go by private jet.

I've been stuck in long queues before Brexit. It was because of heightened security at airports.

I find the "Brexit doesn't affect me so I don't care" quite sickening. I have now been trying for months to renew my Swedish passport at the Swedish embassy in London. Booking list is full. Embassy is understaffed since they now need visas and this has complicated matters. I have lived and worked in the UK for 50 years, children and grandchildren live here. I would like to see my Swedish relatives but can't thanks to Brexit so yes, it does affect me and others. But who cares?
I know this has nothing to do with imports/exports but I'm so fed up with hearing how nothing has changed/we still go on holiday in the EU etc.

You asked what kind of scandal re poor imports, meat or otherwise, would make me take note, fp. I replied. Don’t then tell me it’s not about me, or call me dear. How very rude.

it is the uk that is getting seriously damaged in hundreds of ways. What kind of scandal re poor imports, meat or otherwise will make you and others take not
Could you possibly more alarmist if you tried?
Bad meat/ products have always been imported/ exported all over the eu since its inception, and we were members, you’re never going to stop it.

Fleurpepper

Germanshepherdsmum

I don’t buy imported meat. Not even for my dog. Animal welfare is high on my list of priorities. I very rarely buy any other imported food either, preferring to support my own country.

It's not about you, dear.

FP you do know meat can be sourced from within the UK?

Germanshepherdsmum

I don’t buy imported meat. Not even for my dog. Animal welfare is high on my list of priorities. I very rarely buy any other imported food either, preferring to support my own country.

It's not about you, dear.

FP It is the UK that is getting seriously damaged, in 100s of ways. What kind of scandal re poor imports, meat or otherwise, will make you and others take note?

Perhaps people would note if there was any real reason to note?

I've not seen anything alarming - I'm a glass half full happy person.

The world is a different place since covid and Ukraine, I think that is much to problems you are seeing. Inflation is worldwide. Political unrest is worldwide, not just in the UK - look to Trump loving USA.

I don’t buy imported meat. Not even for my dog. Animal welfare is high on my list of priorities. I very rarely buy any other imported food either, preferring to support my own country.

Germanshepherdsmum

Fine. People can survive without buying a house in the EU, is that such a tragedy?

It is definitely NOT the point of this thread anyhow. Totally irrelevant to the fact that the EU is able to seel anything to the UK without any checks at all. And that this cannot amount, in any way, shape or form, to 'getting back control'.

Well not a tragedy for you. Those people I know who spent all their har earned savings on a little place in EU or Switzerland, worked so hard on doing it up, in readiness for retirement, and have had to give it up- I've seen their tears, and for them, yes, it was some personal tragedy. Not that you would care, but hey ho. Irrelevant to this thread however.

It is the UK that is getting seriously damaged, in 100s of ways. What kind of scandal re poor imports, meat or otherwise, will make you and others take note?

Fine. People can survive without buying a house in the EU, is that such a tragedy?

Germanshepherdsmum

Are we supposed to be sorry for the EU? Count me out. My country comes first.

May I point out that the properties in France and other EU are still selling, but not to Brits. So the EU is not suffering from the loss, at all. But the Brits are outpriced and their conditions are very restricted.

Joseann, from 35% to 17% - even if there is a switch of location- the difference is still huge. Almost half.

Germanshepherdsmum

Are we supposed to be sorry for the EU? Count me out. My country comes first.

No, the EU is fine. This debacle has made them stronger than ever- and they are very happy trading with each other in times of shortages, and find other easier markets to reach.

It is indeed the UK that is getting badly damaged, in 100s of ways- including unchecked imports from EU. If they have ny rotten or diseased meat to get rid or faulty goods, they can just send them here. To your country, that comes first- mine too.

I know several people who have bought property in Europe in the last year, Spain, France & Italy.
Yes, interestingly my friend works for Leggett Immobilier in Brittany which has never been envied for its climate! 🌧 However, she told me last month that heatwaves in the South of France mean that Brittany is now attracting many wealthier British buyers, especially round the Golfe area. I think they are referred to as "migrants climatiques". Perhaps there is a reshuffle of location going on, but no less British demand.

Are we supposed to be sorry for the EU? Count me out. My country comes first.

We’ve done our bit for the French and Spanish & Bulgarian economy over the past 2 years ( and a lot more before that)
Ex husband bought & retired to Spain not long ago.
Friends sold their business and retired. They put a huge amount of money into the Spanish coffers buying a holiday home.

Fleurpepper

In short, the EU is able to sell any old whatever, without any checks at all- and the Government is too scared to impose the promised checks because they have not done the necessary work, realise the bottle neck in Calais is impossible to solve, and they fear the backlash of the public if checks cause more empty shelves and essential shortages. It is a vast mess, which will affect us all.

Even the rich who can afford to go skiing- and will get stuck in the long queues, be it at the airports or Calais- and py much higher costs. But it is not about them ...

Not only rich people ski (that's wrong). There've been no long queues coming out of the Tunnel, skiing costs have been fine considering world inflation, imo. I just looked to records.

If people want to stop buying French holiday homes - fine, perhaps that location is passe. We've family who purchased in Italy and friends who purchased in Berlin this last few months.