Lee Anderson, Conservative deputy chair says asylum seekers should ‘fuck off back to France’ if they don’t want to be housed on the Bobby Stockholm barge

Callistemon21

I remember when my DC heard a Frenchman shouting Merdre at our campsite in Brittany.
They loved this word and would keep repeating it all holiday, even though I shushed them. They would have been about 5 and 3 at the time.

I'm sure one or two of France's presidents publicly called Mrs. Thatcher a few rude names too.

Wyllow3

Yes, that really stood out in the news - the interview with the very valid bloke who had come by plane.

Indeed Siope - endlessly - like processing the backlog, like introducing centres outside the UK to request asylum, like actually putting real efforts into joining EU police forces

I've been shocked by the hate on here tonight. *Remember, please, that 61% of people who do apply are allowed to stay with valid reasons. The government have allowed a situation to build up and built up, then whip up hatred.

Exactly - in order to appeal to the racists out there.

It is a crisis of their own deliberate making!

I remember when my DC heard a Frenchman shouting Merdre at our campsite in Brittany.
They loved this word and would keep repeating it all holiday, even though I shushed them. They would have been about 5 and 3 at the time.

Joseann

^What will really help will be the improved political climate with France - Johnson et al’s stupid posturing did relationships no good at all, in fact in far more polite and cultured language than that employed by Anderson I’d have been telling the UK to go boil its head if I was a French politician.^
Ahem, and a French General wasn't beyond publicly replying "merde" to his opposing British number who asked the French to surrender at the battle of Waterloo.
Also, not long ago, I remember Macron saying his own nationals who were striking pissed him off.
I can assure you by politicians goes on across the Channel too.
Polite in comparison? Mon oeil!

😂

It just sounds better in French than Anglo-Saxon!!

Oreo

Kandinsky

He’s only said what the vast majority think.

Of course he did, there’s too much hand wringing going on about the barge.
Casdon wish I had your faith in Yvette Cooper scoping it all out, quite honestly on this matter I don’t think Labour will be any more effective than any other political party.I have a lot of time for Yvette but sorting out all the thousands and thousands of migrants claiming asylum here is just out of hand, too many sniping from the sidelines and trying to stop any kind of plan.

I really think Labour will make a better job of it Oreo, they certainly couldn’t make a worse one. With a Labour Government we will be able to re-enter Eurodac, and work more cooperatively in France with their authorities, as well as being more likely to work cooperatively with the rest of Europe on the bigger issues of predicting and managing migration. One thing is for sure, time will tell.

I think the language in the HOC is tame by comparison to very many countries and what their politicians say.Why anyone expects them to talk as if they’re at a vicars tea party is anyones guess.

Kandinsky

He’s only said what the vast majority think.

Of course he did, there’s too much hand wringing going on about the barge.
Casdon wish I had your faith in Yvette Cooper scoping it all out, quite honestly on this matter I don’t think Labour will be any more effective than any other political party.I have a lot of time for Yvette but sorting out all the thousands and thousands of migrants claiming asylum here is just out of hand, too many sniping from the sidelines and trying to stop any kind of plan.

*swearing by politicians

What will really help will be the improved political climate with France - Johnson et al’s stupid posturing did relationships no good at all, in fact in far more polite and cultured language than that employed by Anderson I’d have been telling the UK to go boil its head if I was a French politician.
Ahem, and a French General wasn't beyond publicly replying "merde" to his opposing British number who asked the French to surrender at the battle of Waterloo.
Also, not long ago, I remember Macron saying his own nationals who were striking pissed him off.
I can assure you by politicians goes on across the Channel too.
Polite in comparison? Mon oeil!

It will take some time to get it running efficiently, but there are officials in the Home Office who will help to get things moving, staff recruited and trained, redeploying expertise to where it’s most needed. Yvette Cooper is nobody’s fool, she will have it all scoped out.
What will really help will be the improved political climate with France - Johnson et al’s stupid posturing did relationships no good at all, in fact in far more polite and cultured language than that employed by Anderson I’d have been telling the UK to go boil its head if I was a French politician.

And the policing?
It all sounds good on paper.

The reality is often quite different when stumbling blocks are encountered.

Casdon

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

GrannyGravy13

Callistemon21

the ones who were refused would still pay the Criminal Smuggling gangs to get here
Of course that would continue so what would happen when they arrive?

Have Labour thought this through properly?

In answer to your last question No!

It’s very easy to be in opposition, when elected to Govern the reality of the situation sets in.

We know that if Labour is the majority Government lots are predicting, all their plans that fail to reach fruition will be blamed on the last Conservative Government.

The ones who weren't accepted could be repatriated immediately if they arrived by small boat. That would be a perfectly legitimate thing to do.

I'm not sure why you think that Labour are stupid and haven't thought of it.

I have not said Labour are stupid MaizieD please do not misquote me.

I can only go on what I have heard the Labour leader and his front benchers say on this subject, which on multiple occasions has been that they will not rule out the use of barges to house migrants. They say they will cooperate with the French authorities, but surely that is what Sunak and Macron have been doing, hence the agreement that we would send extra millions to their border force.

The main stumbling block is obviously dealing with the (non existent) paperwork to prove who the refugees are and from whence they have come, which is taking months. Is it because the refugees have been told by the traffickers today nought? I doubt the Home Office have enough crystal balls for that task, whoever is in Government.

Labour have a plan. Yvette Cooper talking on Sky this morning.

Citing Labour's plan - which includes scrapping the Rwanda deportation scheme and funding a cross-border police unit - Ms Cooper said: "What we need to do is go properly after the criminal gangs that are making huge amounts of money from the dangerous boat crossings and also clear the asylum backlog.

"That's what Labour would do. We've set out a new fast track system to do that so we can end hotel use, the barges, the [military] bases, all of that and get back to a proper functioning system."

Good.

But I did ask previously - who is going to do the fast-tracking?
Recruitment and proper training takes some time.

In the meantime?

MaizieD

GrannyGravy13

Callistemon21

the ones who were refused would still pay the Criminal Smuggling gangs to get here
Of course that would continue so what would happen when they arrive?

Have Labour thought this through properly?

In answer to your last question No!

It’s very easy to be in opposition, when elected to Govern the reality of the situation sets in.

We know that if Labour is the majority Government lots are predicting, all their plans that fail to reach fruition will be blamed on the last Conservative Government.

The ones who weren't accepted could be repatriated immediately if they arrived by small boat. That would be a perfectly legitimate thing to do.

I'm not sure why you think that Labour are stupid and haven't thought of it.

No-one said stupid.

The ones who weren't accepted could be repatriated immediately if they arrived by small boat. That would be a perfectly legitimate thing to do.

However, perhaps you could suggest that to them if they haven't thought it through properly.
🙂

Kandinsky

He’s only said what the vast majority think.

You don’t actually know that.

He’s only said what the vast majority think.

From what I saw on TV the barge has twin ensuite rooms, a large dining room, TV lounges, a computer room probably with free Internet, an hourly bus into town, and a medical centre. Also they are free to come and go when they like but have been ASKED to return by 11pm if they can.
Meanwhile we are short of GP, dental and hospital appointments, pay for water, gas electricity etc. and have hundreds sleeping rough on the streets.
So yes if they refuse they should be deported immediately and I agree with what he said.

Anderson is a wannabe "Trump" populist. I'm not surprised Labour people didn't turn up to see him at the foodbank, they saw it for what it was, an Anderson Photo opportunity.

"During the campaign, he was criticised for staging a door knock while he was being filmed for a report by Channel 4 News reporter Michael Crick. Prior to the visit, Anderson was recorded on his microphone instructing a man to "make out you know who I am, that you know I'm the candidate but not that you are a friend".[14]" This is the sort of man he is, used to be Labour and was investigated for anti semitic views by the Conservative party. If you bother to read his wiki it tells you just the sort of man he is!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Anderson_(British_politician)

On TalkRadio 100% agree with Lee Anderson.

I’m not going to worry about him, he’s got a slender majority, he’ll be gone at the next election. This about sums it up.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/12/hes-a-bit-of-a-prat-voters-in-ashfield-turn-on-lee-anderson

Leaving aside the topic for the moment, I think Lee Anderson should be held to the same scrutiny - and condemnation - as Angela Rayner.

And - Oreo - it is not "pearl clutching" to disapprove of bad language in the HoC, I'm pretty sure many of us have used the phrase privately, but if we want at least a level of civilised discourse in public life, then it should not be condoned simply because you agree with the sentiments that followed the outburst.

My grandsons are encouraged to take an interest in civics and I'd rather they also learned to debate with civility - though they are not innocents and are fully aware of the phrase.

The House is a confrontational bear-pit - that's fine - but that's no reason to reduce it to the level of the bar-room.

Primrose53

Nannashirlz

vegansrock

The silent majority are silent for a reason. They haven’t got a clue. 30p Lee is straight out of the Trump playbook. 30p Lee is so called as he claimed to be able to make meals for 30p, so no one needs to use a foodbank. Johnson said “ fuck business” when he was asked something about the negative up impact of Brexit on U.K. businesses, so it’s nothing new.

You haven’t seen any of his interviews clearly. Lee helps out in foodbanks and the ppl that run it were teaching ppl to cook. When you could cook a meal for 30p portion. That’s old news 🤣 as for what he said Well done Lee 👏👏👏 it’s about time someone said something it. As it’s what most normal ppl think as we watching our country going slowly down hill. They should be grateful for what they get France only gives them a tent maybe we should

He invited all Labour politicians to come to Mansfield and see the work that was being done in foodbanks and not a single one turned up. He said Labour were not interested in solutions merely in political point scoring so he left and joined the Conservatives.

OK he should not have sworn like he did but he is pro active and unlike many does not sit on the fence dithering about.

www.chad.co.uk/news/people/tory-ashfield-mp-lee-anderson-reveals-reasons-why-he-left-labour-and-more-in-interview-at-gb-news-3869684

Isn’t switching parties a bit dithery? I mean there’s a huge difference in the ideology of a Conservative government and. a Labour one. The funny thing is, Sunak has defended him but he’s now pointing out that Conservative policy on migrants isn’t working! If being pro active means jumping on the racist terminology that made Farage so popular then I can do without pro active politicians thank you.But, imo imo he’s not pro active just a self publicist.

Oh Oreo - I was wondering when I would be accused of pearl clutching..!

Oreo
They’d have a touch of the vapours if they ever went into an HMO. 😱

@Gloryanny, he didn't get away with the language he used, never fear! And he was rightly told to give his head a wobble about his attitude towards others who found themselves in situations he could never imagine.

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

GrannyGravy13

Callistemon21

the ones who were refused would still pay the Criminal Smuggling gangs to get here
Of course that would continue so what would happen when they arrive?

Have Labour thought this through properly?

In answer to your last question No!

It’s very easy to be in opposition, when elected to Govern the reality of the situation sets in.

We know that if Labour is the majority Government lots are predicting, all their plans that fail to reach fruition will be blamed on the last Conservative Government.

The ones who weren't accepted could be repatriated immediately if they arrived by small boat. That would be a perfectly legitimate thing to do.

I'm not sure why you think that Labour are stupid and haven't thought of it.

I have not said Labour are stupid MaizieD please do not misquote me.

I can only go on what I have heard the Labour leader and his front benchers say on this subject, which on multiple occasions has been that they will not rule out the use of barges to house migrants. They say they will cooperate with the French authorities, but surely that is what Sunak and Macron have been doing, hence the agreement that we would send extra millions to their border force.

The main stumbling block is obviously dealing with the (non existent) paperwork to prove who the refugees are and from whence they have come, which is taking months. Is it because the refugees have been told by the traffickers today nought? I doubt the Home Office have enough crystal balls for that task, whoever is in Government.

Labour have a plan. Yvette Cooper talking on Sky this morning.

Citing Labour's plan - which includes scrapping the Rwanda deportation scheme and funding a cross-border police unit - Ms Cooper said: "What we need to do is go properly after the criminal gangs that are making huge amounts of money from the dangerous boat crossings and also clear the asylum backlog.

"That's what Labour would do. We've set out a new fast track system to do that so we can end hotel use, the barges, the [military] bases, all of that and get back to a proper functioning system."