Lee Anderson, Conservative deputy chair says asylum seekers should ‘fuck off back to France’ if they don’t want to be housed on the Bobby Stockholm barge

Anderson is a wannabe "Trump" populist. I'm not surprised Labour people didn't turn up to see him at the foodbank, they saw it for what it was, an Anderson Photo opportunity.

"During the campaign, he was criticised for staging a door knock while he was being filmed for a report by Channel 4 News reporter Michael Crick. Prior to the visit, Anderson was recorded on his microphone instructing a man to "make out you know who I am, that you know I'm the candidate but not that you are a friend".[14]" This is the sort of man he is, used to be Labour and was investigated for anti semitic views by the Conservative party. If you bother to read his wiki it tells you just the sort of man he is!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Anderson_(British_politician)

From what I saw on TV the barge has twin ensuite rooms, a large dining room, TV lounges, a computer room probably with free Internet, an hourly bus into town, and a medical centre. Also they are free to come and go when they like but have been ASKED to return by 11pm if they can.
Meanwhile we are short of GP, dental and hospital appointments, pay for water, gas electricity etc. and have hundreds sleeping rough on the streets.
So yes if they refuse they should be deported immediately and I agree with what he said.

He’s only said what the vast majority think.

Kandinsky

He’s only said what the vast majority think.

You don’t actually know that.

MaizieD

GrannyGravy13

Callistemon21

the ones who were refused would still pay the Criminal Smuggling gangs to get here
Of course that would continue so what would happen when they arrive?

Have Labour thought this through properly?

In answer to your last question No!

It’s very easy to be in opposition, when elected to Govern the reality of the situation sets in.

We know that if Labour is the majority Government lots are predicting, all their plans that fail to reach fruition will be blamed on the last Conservative Government.

The ones who weren't accepted could be repatriated immediately if they arrived by small boat. That would be a perfectly legitimate thing to do.

I'm not sure why you think that Labour are stupid and haven't thought of it.

No-one said stupid.

The ones who weren't accepted could be repatriated immediately if they arrived by small boat. That would be a perfectly legitimate thing to do.

However, perhaps you could suggest that to them if they haven't thought it through properly.
🙂

Casdon

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

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Callistemon21

the ones who were refused would still pay the Criminal Smuggling gangs to get here
Of course that would continue so what would happen when they arrive?

Have Labour thought this through properly?

In answer to your last question No!

It’s very easy to be in opposition, when elected to Govern the reality of the situation sets in.

We know that if Labour is the majority Government lots are predicting, all their plans that fail to reach fruition will be blamed on the last Conservative Government.

The ones who weren't accepted could be repatriated immediately if they arrived by small boat. That would be a perfectly legitimate thing to do.

I'm not sure why you think that Labour are stupid and haven't thought of it.

I have not said Labour are stupid MaizieD please do not misquote me.

I can only go on what I have heard the Labour leader and his front benchers say on this subject, which on multiple occasions has been that they will not rule out the use of barges to house migrants. They say they will cooperate with the French authorities, but surely that is what Sunak and Macron have been doing, hence the agreement that we would send extra millions to their border force.

The main stumbling block is obviously dealing with the (non existent) paperwork to prove who the refugees are and from whence they have come, which is taking months. Is it because the refugees have been told by the traffickers today nought? I doubt the Home Office have enough crystal balls for that task, whoever is in Government.

Labour have a plan. Yvette Cooper talking on Sky this morning.

Citing Labour's plan - which includes scrapping the Rwanda deportation scheme and funding a cross-border police unit - Ms Cooper said: "What we need to do is go properly after the criminal gangs that are making huge amounts of money from the dangerous boat crossings and also clear the asylum backlog.

"That's what Labour would do. We've set out a new fast track system to do that so we can end hotel use, the barges, the [military] bases, all of that and get back to a proper functioning system."

Good.

But I did ask previously - who is going to do the fast-tracking?
Recruitment and proper training takes some time.

In the meantime?

And the policing?
It all sounds good on paper.

The reality is often quite different when stumbling blocks are encountered.

It will take some time to get it running efficiently, but there are officials in the Home Office who will help to get things moving, staff recruited and trained, redeploying expertise to where it’s most needed. Yvette Cooper is nobody’s fool, she will have it all scoped out.
What will really help will be the improved political climate with France - Johnson et al’s stupid posturing did relationships no good at all, in fact in far more polite and cultured language than that employed by Anderson I’d have been telling the UK to go boil its head if I was a French politician.

What will really help will be the improved political climate with France - Johnson et al’s stupid posturing did relationships no good at all, in fact in far more polite and cultured language than that employed by Anderson I’d have been telling the UK to go boil its head if I was a French politician.
Ahem, and a French General wasn't beyond publicly replying "merde" to his opposing British number who asked the French to surrender at the battle of Waterloo.
Also, not long ago, I remember Macron saying his own nationals who were striking pissed him off.
I can assure you by politicians goes on across the Channel too.
Polite in comparison? Mon oeil!

*swearing by politicians

Kandinsky

He’s only said what the vast majority think.

Of course he did, there’s too much hand wringing going on about the barge.
Casdon wish I had your faith in Yvette Cooper scoping it all out, quite honestly on this matter I don’t think Labour will be any more effective than any other political party.I have a lot of time for Yvette but sorting out all the thousands and thousands of migrants claiming asylum here is just out of hand, too many sniping from the sidelines and trying to stop any kind of plan.

I think the language in the HOC is tame by comparison to very many countries and what their politicians say.Why anyone expects them to talk as if they’re at a vicars tea party is anyones guess.

Oreo

Kandinsky

He’s only said what the vast majority think.

Of course he did, there’s too much hand wringing going on about the barge.
Casdon wish I had your faith in Yvette Cooper scoping it all out, quite honestly on this matter I don’t think Labour will be any more effective than any other political party.I have a lot of time for Yvette but sorting out all the thousands and thousands of migrants claiming asylum here is just out of hand, too many sniping from the sidelines and trying to stop any kind of plan.

I really think Labour will make a better job of it Oreo, they certainly couldn’t make a worse one. With a Labour Government we will be able to re-enter Eurodac, and work more cooperatively in France with their authorities, as well as being more likely to work cooperatively with the rest of Europe on the bigger issues of predicting and managing migration. One thing is for sure, time will tell.

Joseann

^What will really help will be the improved political climate with France - Johnson et al’s stupid posturing did relationships no good at all, in fact in far more polite and cultured language than that employed by Anderson I’d have been telling the UK to go boil its head if I was a French politician.^
Ahem, and a French General wasn't beyond publicly replying "merde" to his opposing British number who asked the French to surrender at the battle of Waterloo.
Also, not long ago, I remember Macron saying his own nationals who were striking pissed him off.
I can assure you by politicians goes on across the Channel too.
Polite in comparison? Mon oeil!

😂

It just sounds better in French than Anglo-Saxon!!

I remember when my DC heard a Frenchman shouting Merdre at our campsite in Brittany.
They loved this word and would keep repeating it all holiday, even though I shushed them. They would have been about 5 and 3 at the time.

Wyllow3

Yes, that really stood out in the news - the interview with the very valid bloke who had come by plane.

Indeed Siope - endlessly - like processing the backlog, like introducing centres outside the UK to request asylum, like actually putting real efforts into joining EU police forces

I've been shocked by the hate on here tonight. *Remember, please, that 61% of people who do apply are allowed to stay with valid reasons. The government have allowed a situation to build up and built up, then whip up hatred.

Exactly - in order to appeal to the racists out there.

It is a crisis of their own deliberate making!

Callistemon21

I remember when my DC heard a Frenchman shouting Merdre at our campsite in Brittany.
They loved this word and would keep repeating it all holiday, even though I shushed them. They would have been about 5 and 3 at the time.

I'm sure one or two of France's presidents publicly called Mrs. Thatcher a few rude names too.

foxie48

Anderson is a wannabe "Trump" populist. I'm not surprised Labour people didn't turn up to see him at the foodbank, they saw it for what it was, an Anderson Photo opportunity.

"During the campaign, he was criticised for staging a door knock while he was being filmed for a report by Channel 4 News reporter Michael Crick. Prior to the visit, Anderson was recorded on his microphone instructing a man to "make out you know who I am, that you know I'm the candidate but not that you are a friend".[14]" This is the sort of man he is, used to be Labour and was investigated for anti semitic views by the Conservative party. If you bother to read his wiki it tells you just the sort of man he is!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Anderson_(British_politician)

Because Wikipedia is so reliable - anyone can alter it, I don't believe a word I read on there about anything current.

In my opinion Lee Anderson is an articulate clever man. I fully support his comments but then unlike some people I don't think the UK should be paying £6 million a day to support people who have entered our country illegally. If they want to claim asylum they should use the legal routes. It would be cheaper for them!

Really, you can check the sources just click on the number next to the relevant material. Easy peasy!

scottie51

In my opinion Lee Anderson is an articulate clever man. I fully support his comments but then unlike some people I don't think the UK should be paying £6 million a day to support people who have entered our country illegally. If they want to claim asylum they should use the legal routes. It would be cheaper for them!

Of course he is a clever articulate man, he knows exactly what he is saying and who it is aimed at. Doesn't make him any less vile though!
Trouble is there aren't the "legal" routes for them to use and to claim "asylum" you actually have to be physically in the UK, that is why they fall prey to the traffickers.
help.unhcr.org/uk/asylum/

I have not said Labour are stupid MaizieD please do not misquote me.

I didn't say that you had, GG13. And perhaps my answer should have been directed at Callistemon who asked what would happen if the small boats continues to arrive with people whose asylum application had been turned down.

Though you seemed to be agreeing with her, having quoted her post.

Wasn't it a bit obvious that these people could be immediately repatriated and didn't it seem to be implied that Labour hadn't thought that far?

Oreo - do you use that language? I don't and I didn't allow it when I was a headteacher, which you may perhaps have been happy about if your children or grandchildren attended the school..nothing to do with vicars or tea parties.

Kandinsky

He’s only said what the vast majority think.

Perhaps the majority in your circles, not in mine, thank goodness. Do I remember correctly, that you were a paid up member of Farage's Party? Do corect me if I am wrong.

scottie51

In my opinion Lee Anderson is an articulate clever man. I fully support his comments but then unlike some people I don't think the UK should be paying £6 million a day to support people who have entered our country illegally. If they want to claim asylum they should use the legal routes. It would be cheaper for them!

Absolutely right. All those millions of £ could be pumped into the NHS, nurses pay, care homes etc.

Yes we all know many people working in the medical/care sector are from other countries but they came here legally and deserve to be here.