Lee Anderson, Conservative deputy chair says asylum seekers should ‘fuck off back to France’ if they don’t want to be housed on the Bobby Stockholm barge

I don’t know if the situation has changed but this is what I witnessed in the housing office in Southend some years ago.
( the war in Kosovo)
A young man presented himself and his leave to stay papers.
He wanted a council house/ flat because now he was homeless.
The woman asked him if he had a wife/ children, no.
He was told there is nothing we can do for you.
He turned away from the counter looking shell shocked.
What is going to happen to the 10s of thousands of asylum seekers when they do get their leave to stay papers.

I agree as well Umstongran. They think Britain is a walkover. As for the F.O. that was mentioned at first I believe the leader of the SNP was suggesting at the Edinburgh fringe that more people should use it. Perhaps we should!!!!

MerylStreep

I don’t know if the situation has changed but this is what I witnessed in the housing office in Southend some years ago.
( the war in Kosovo)
A young man presented himself and his leave to stay papers.
He wanted a council house/ flat because now he was homeless.
The woman asked him if he had a wife/ children, no.
He was told there is nothing we can do for you.
He turned away from the counter looking shell shocked.
What is going to happen to the 10s of thousands of asylum seekers when they do get their leave to stay papers.

www.gransnet.com/forums/travel/1326344-I-love-to-cruise-do-you

Not a thread about a thread, but:

What is going to happen to the 10s of thousands of asylum seekers when they do get their leave to stay papers

We are not supposed to go on luxury cruises any more because it is damaging the environment.
So what will happen to all those lovely cruise liners when they become redundant soon?

More upmarket than a barge.

11:46spabbygirl
I blame the idiots who voted these people in, Labour have a great plan, assess people before they get on a small boat, it means increasing border control staff in Calais but those who are offered a place could simply get on P&O ferry, no small boats required so the criminal gangs that run them would be out of a job.

Haha what a load of tosh, do you really believe this would stop the boats what about the ones with no ID, the economic migrants would they be allowed on a P & O ferry (although if Labour were in charge they would probably let anyone in) the ones who were refused would still pay the Criminal Smuggling gangs to get here. If this is Labours plan God help us if they ever get into power

the ones who were refused would still pay the Criminal Smuggling gangs to get here
Of course that would continue so what would happen when they arrive?

Have Labour thought this through properly?

Callistemon21

^the ones who were refused would still pay the Criminal Smuggling gangs to get here^
Of course that would continue so what would happen when they arrive?

Have Labour thought this through properly?

In answer to your last question No!

It’s very easy to be in opposition, when elected to Govern the reality of the situation sets in.

We know that if Labour is the majority Government lots are predicting, all their plans that fail to reach fruition will be blamed on the last Conservative Government.

I don’t care about his language, too much pearl clutching about that.
He said what loads of us think.Nothing wrong with housing migrants on the Bibby Stockholm, it’s better accommodation than many people have and has been used in Germany for migrants and has also been used for workers.
Bent lawyers, do gooding charities and useless politicians are all doing their damn worst to hold everything up. They want all the people who arrive here by small boat to be housed in hotels.It’s a bad outcome for the British taxpayer and a kick in the teeth for any homeless.

The language might have been wrong, but what he said is what a lot of people in this country think. We have 1000,s of homeless people who would give their right hand to have any sort of accommodation. Stop giving them the benefits and the extras and you'll stop them coming. We're becoming the laughing stock of the world -certainly in France!

GrannyGravy13

Callistemon21

the ones who were refused would still pay the Criminal Smuggling gangs to get here
Of course that would continue so what would happen when they arrive?

Have Labour thought this through properly?

In answer to your last question No!

It’s very easy to be in opposition, when elected to Govern the reality of the situation sets in.

We know that if Labour is the majority Government lots are predicting, all their plans that fail to reach fruition will be blamed on the last Conservative Government.

The ones who weren't accepted could be repatriated immediately if they arrived by small boat. That would be a perfectly legitimate thing to do.

I'm not sure why you think that Labour are stupid and haven't thought of it.

Stop giving them benefits and it won’t stop them coming - they’ll live on the streets or in tents and have to work illegally. Why don’t we think about the people who are trafficked here, live under the radar, and are employed by criminals selling drugs, prostitution etc- a much bigger problem Let’s face it , the tories have been in power for 13 years and have made this countries problems worse. They can’t blame all our woes on the EU any longer, so we have to blame all the failings in our public services on immigrants. I expect they’re to blame for our dire transport system, sewage in the sea and underfunding of police, nothing whatsoever to do with this government.

MaizieD

GrannyGravy13

Callistemon21

the ones who were refused would still pay the Criminal Smuggling gangs to get here
Of course that would continue so what would happen when they arrive?

Have Labour thought this through properly?

In answer to your last question No!

It’s very easy to be in opposition, when elected to Govern the reality of the situation sets in.

We know that if Labour is the majority Government lots are predicting, all their plans that fail to reach fruition will be blamed on the last Conservative Government.

The ones who weren't accepted could be repatriated immediately if they arrived by small boat. That would be a perfectly legitimate thing to do.

I'm not sure why you think that Labour are stupid and haven't thought of it.

I have not said Labour are stupid MaizieD please do not misquote me.

I can only go on what I have heard the Labour leader and his front benchers say on this subject, which on multiple occasions has been that they will not rule out the use of barges to house migrants. They say they will cooperate with the French authorities, but surely that is what Sunak and Macron have been doing, hence the agreement that we would send extra millions to their border force.

The main stumbling block is obviously dealing with the (non existent) paperwork to prove who the refugees are and from whence they have come, which is taking months. Is it because the refugees have been told by the traffickers today nought? I doubt the Home Office have enough crystal balls for that task, whoever is in Government.

today predictive text should have been to say

Maybe if these disgraceful foul mouthed politicians had the slightest bit of humanity they would engage brain before opening mouths!!!
Also why on earth with all the job vacancies everywhere why oh why can’t these asylum seekers work for minimum wage (Brits aren’t taking the jobs) in the sectors where most needed and contribute to their keep.
And once they are allowed to stay in UK they cannot apply for benefits until they’ve been in the UK and contributed to our society with no criminel activity for at least a minimum of 5yrs!
That way all benefit.

Why are the tories so opposed to economic migrants?

The tories are dthe ones who tell people to Get on yer bike, you’d think they would admire the initiative of these enterprising young men. Many of them have skills that we need.

As for the swearing - inexcusable.

Oreo

I don’t care about his language, too much pearl clutching about that.
He said what loads of us think.Nothing wrong with housing migrants on the Bibby Stockholm, it’s better accommodation than many people have and has been used in Germany for migrants and has also been used for workers.
Bent lawyers, do gooding charities and useless politicians are all doing their damn worst to hold everything up. They want all the people who arrive here by small boat to be housed in hotels.It’s a bad outcome for the British taxpayer and a kick in the teeth for any homeless.

When it was used in Germany it held the number of people it was designed for- about 200. Not the 500 being stuffed into it here. The dangers of fire and infections will be huge because of the overcrowding.

I think that the parents of Rishi Sunak, Suella Braverman, Pritti Patel and many other Tories were economic migrants. So why do they demonise economic migrants?

Nannashirlz

vegansrock

The silent majority are silent for a reason. They haven’t got a clue. 30p Lee is straight out of the Trump playbook. 30p Lee is so called as he claimed to be able to make meals for 30p, so no one needs to use a foodbank. Johnson said “ fuck business” when he was asked something about the negative up impact of Brexit on U.K. businesses, so it’s nothing new.

You haven’t seen any of his interviews clearly. Lee helps out in foodbanks and the ppl that run it were teaching ppl to cook. When you could cook a meal for 30p portion. That’s old news 🤣 as for what he said Well done Lee 👏👏👏 it’s about time someone said something it. As it’s what most normal ppl think as we watching our country going slowly down hill. They should be grateful for what they get France only gives them a tent maybe we should

He invited all Labour politicians to come to Mansfield and see the work that was being done in foodbanks and not a single one turned up. He said Labour were not interested in solutions merely in political point scoring so he left and joined the Conservatives.

OK he should not have sworn like he did but he is pro active and unlike many does not sit on the fence dithering about.

www.chad.co.uk/news/people/tory-ashfield-mp-lee-anderson-reveals-reasons-why-he-left-labour-and-more-in-interview-at-gb-news-3869684

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

GrannyGravy13

Callistemon21

the ones who were refused would still pay the Criminal Smuggling gangs to get here
Of course that would continue so what would happen when they arrive?

Have Labour thought this through properly?

In answer to your last question No!

It’s very easy to be in opposition, when elected to Govern the reality of the situation sets in.

We know that if Labour is the majority Government lots are predicting, all their plans that fail to reach fruition will be blamed on the last Conservative Government.

The ones who weren't accepted could be repatriated immediately if they arrived by small boat. That would be a perfectly legitimate thing to do.

I'm not sure why you think that Labour are stupid and haven't thought of it.

I have not said Labour are stupid MaizieD please do not misquote me.

I can only go on what I have heard the Labour leader and his front benchers say on this subject, which on multiple occasions has been that they will not rule out the use of barges to house migrants. They say they will cooperate with the French authorities, but surely that is what Sunak and Macron have been doing, hence the agreement that we would send extra millions to their border force.

The main stumbling block is obviously dealing with the (non existent) paperwork to prove who the refugees are and from whence they have come, which is taking months. Is it because the refugees have been told by the traffickers today nought? I doubt the Home Office have enough crystal balls for that task, whoever is in Government.

Labour have a plan. Yvette Cooper talking on Sky this morning.

Citing Labour's plan - which includes scrapping the Rwanda deportation scheme and funding a cross-border police unit - Ms Cooper said: "What we need to do is go properly after the criminal gangs that are making huge amounts of money from the dangerous boat crossings and also clear the asylum backlog.

"That's what Labour would do. We've set out a new fast track system to do that so we can end hotel use, the barges, the [military] bases, all of that and get back to a proper functioning system."

@Gloryanny, he didn't get away with the language he used, never fear! And he was rightly told to give his head a wobble about his attitude towards others who found themselves in situations he could never imagine.

Oreo
They’d have a touch of the vapours if they ever went into an HMO. 😱

Oh Oreo - I was wondering when I would be accused of pearl clutching..!

Primrose53

Nannashirlz

vegansrock

The silent majority are silent for a reason. They haven’t got a clue. 30p Lee is straight out of the Trump playbook. 30p Lee is so called as he claimed to be able to make meals for 30p, so no one needs to use a foodbank. Johnson said “ fuck business” when he was asked something about the negative up impact of Brexit on U.K. businesses, so it’s nothing new.

You haven’t seen any of his interviews clearly. Lee helps out in foodbanks and the ppl that run it were teaching ppl to cook. When you could cook a meal for 30p portion. That’s old news 🤣 as for what he said Well done Lee 👏👏👏 it’s about time someone said something it. As it’s what most normal ppl think as we watching our country going slowly down hill. They should be grateful for what they get France only gives them a tent maybe we should

He invited all Labour politicians to come to Mansfield and see the work that was being done in foodbanks and not a single one turned up. He said Labour were not interested in solutions merely in political point scoring so he left and joined the Conservatives.

OK he should not have sworn like he did but he is pro active and unlike many does not sit on the fence dithering about.

www.chad.co.uk/news/people/tory-ashfield-mp-lee-anderson-reveals-reasons-why-he-left-labour-and-more-in-interview-at-gb-news-3869684

Isn’t switching parties a bit dithery? I mean there’s a huge difference in the ideology of a Conservative government and. a Labour one. The funny thing is, Sunak has defended him but he’s now pointing out that Conservative policy on migrants isn’t working! If being pro active means jumping on the racist terminology that made Farage so popular then I can do without pro active politicians thank you.But, imo imo he’s not pro active just a self publicist.

Leaving aside the topic for the moment, I think Lee Anderson should be held to the same scrutiny - and condemnation - as Angela Rayner.

And - Oreo - it is not "pearl clutching" to disapprove of bad language in the HoC, I'm pretty sure many of us have used the phrase privately, but if we want at least a level of civilised discourse in public life, then it should not be condoned simply because you agree with the sentiments that followed the outburst.

My grandsons are encouraged to take an interest in civics and I'd rather they also learned to debate with civility - though they are not innocents and are fully aware of the phrase.

The House is a confrontational bear-pit - that's fine - but that's no reason to reduce it to the level of the bar-room.

I’m not going to worry about him, he’s got a slender majority, he’ll be gone at the next election. This about sums it up.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/12/hes-a-bit-of-a-prat-voters-in-ashfield-turn-on-lee-anderson

On TalkRadio 100% agree with Lee Anderson.