An election looms, so I think it is time to look at all the success over the 13 years that we have witnessed from the government.

GrannyGravy13

^You can no more prove that the wealthy have any empathy or understanding than I can fly^. GG13

That is the part of MaizieD’s post I find rude.

Dismissing the moral fortitude of a section of society because they have £’s in the bank.

I'm sorry, GG13, but to defend 'the wealthy' by talking of their philanthropy and good works is quite sad, really.

We wouldn't need their philanthropy and good works if wealth were more evenly distributed.

In our political economy money is continually sucked upwards into the hands of the already wealthy and what little the poorer people get passes through their hands at top speed as they pay out for the very basics of life. They have no chance at all to accumulate anything.

Germanshepherdsmum

Are you unaware of the law firms which have been closed down because their lawyers were fabricating stories to back asylum claims DAR? The political views of the lawyers concerned are irrelevant.

The political views of the lawyers concerned are irrelevant.

Which is what I said. You were the person who pulled in the idea that this was connected to the fabrication of stories, not me. However, I am not the only one complaining about the "lefty lawer" innuendo.

Two former Conservative law officers have criticised the political rhetoric against “lefty lawyers” as damaging and wrong as the head of the Law Society warned it could lead to physical attacks on immigration solicitors.

Also, the attempt at "othering" is fact:

Senior Conservative politicians from Rishi Sunak to the party deputy chair, Lee Anderson, have blamed “lefty lawyers” for thwarting the government’s policies to prevent people crossing the Channel in small boats.

You seemed to be trying to reinforce this rather underhand attack.

(Source: The Guardian: Fri 11 Aug 2023 19.25)

You can no more prove that the wealthy have any empathy or understanding than I can fly. GG13

That is the part of MaizieD’s post I find rude.

Dismissing the moral fortitude of a section of society because they have £’s in the bank.

GrannyGravy13

DaisyAnneReturns

To post that wealthy people have no empathy or understanding with those who are poor is in my opinion a rude slur on wealthy individuals.

I stand by my post.

I understand that you do not agree with the post. It is how you disagree thst is the problem.

What Maizie actually said was "I think it's because our current PM seems to be completely divorced from the reality of the lives of a huge section of the electorate, and others have been so in the past."

What on earth is "rude" about that? He is. They were.

Are you unaware of the law firms which have been closed down because their lawyers were fabricating stories to back asylum claims DAR? The political views of the lawyers concerned are irrelevant.

DaisyAnneReturns there is a fair amount of othering by those who are not/have not voted Conservative/s

they have done nothing apart from sitting on their back sides telling us what we should or should not be doing while the rich get richer and the poor get poorer one thing they did was the triple lock on state pensions but mine has already been swallowed up by rent and council tax increases my savings pay the rest of the bills and for my food so when my savings run out i will be joining the homeless

Germanshepherdsmum

I still await your definition of ‘wealth’, Maizie.

And the government hasn’t demonised lawyers doing their jobs - it has spoken out against those who fabricate stories for clients. We have recently seen several such firms closed down and you may be sure that more will follow.

I am quite sure you are aware that those who fabricate stories have not declared their political views. They could, just as easily be right wing lawyers after a "quick buck". In fact, the experience of many would tell them that that is the likely case.

Equally I'm sure you're aware, that the attack on people who are trying to stop the government breaking the law, is a perfectly reasonable course for those lawyers to take. It has nothing to do with "fabricated stories".

The pathetic and childish language Conservatives use, is for one reason and one reason only. That is to set up another group who are othered. Attempting to destroy our judiciary and legal services is anti-democratic in the extreme.

DaisyAnneReturns

To post that wealthy people have no empathy or understanding with those who are poor is in my opinion a rude slur on wealthy individuals.

I stand by my post.

My last post was to GrannyGravy13

That's still personal as a post cannot, by itself, set out to be "rude". Equally I can see nothing in the original comment that is impolite or bad mannered towards another poster. So how is the poster's comment rude.

All you need to do is explain what you disagree with in the comment made.

This was not meant as an attack on you or your post but the word has been used in quick succession to a previous post which is still not been explained.

I still await your definition of ‘wealth’, Maizie.

And the government hasn’t demonised lawyers doing their jobs - it has spoken out against those who fabricate stories for clients. We have recently seen several such firms closed down and you may be sure that more will follow.

DaisyAnneReturns

The spate of calling other posters "rude" is both Victorian in view and a personal attack, which seems to me to be outside for Gransnet Talk Guidelines.

By all means explain what you don't like/disagree with in a post, but please stop this petty name calling - especially when it comes without explanation. I'm still waiting for one where someone thought it right to name call in this way. It should be about the content of the post, not the person.

If ? You are referring to my post this morning, I suggest you reread it.

I called MaizieD’s comments rude not her.

The spate of calling other posters "rude" is both Victorian in view and a personal attack, which seems to me to be outside for Gransnet Talk Guidelines.

By all means explain what you don't like/disagree with in a post, but please stop this petty name calling - especially when it comes without explanation. I'm still waiting for one where someone thought it right to name call in this way. It should be about the content of the post, not the person.

Your thread has lasted longer than you expected, WWM2, as there is always plenty to say about this Government. MaizieD, has summed it up nicely in her latest posts.
Yes,Joseann, the offshore accounts are 'very dubious'. Some say they are the actual motivation behind BREXIT.

The last “good times” were 2002 to 2007 everything was improving nicely, greed was allowed to take over due to deregulation. Most of us took advantage it, but it couldn't last, the damage was massive, we were gradually improving when Brexit came along ———- we know the rest.

MaizieD. I find your comment regarding wealth, empathy and understanding rather rude.

I can only assume that if you know any wealthy people they are not very nice.

Those that I know are empathetic, work/volunteer with charities here and abroad with no need to shout about their wealth or their philanthropy.

But hey ho, go ahead and pigeonhole a section of society with your prejudices.

Joseann

I guess for me it's an acceptance any government's fallibility. The important thing is how they fix it, and that is what invariably lets them down.

Any government can, and usually does, mess up one or two
things. But 13 tory years has messed up the entire country; its economy and its people's wellbeing. These are not little failings , this is major national disaster.

OTOH, locking away wealth in tax havens and using money solely to make more money seems to me to be a real waste of money because it's just not doing anything useful.
Yes, I agree, offshore accounts in the Cayman Islands or similar are very dubious.

I guess for me it's an acceptance any government's fallibility. The important thing is how they fix it, and that is what invariably lets them down.

Joseann

Maybe that is because many of them are London dwellers where money makes money?
I don't really care about anyone's wealth, but I know it is easier to make your money work for you in the right environment.

I don't care much about 'wealth' really, so long as it gets reasonably distributed and no-one has to live in poverty.

OTOH, locking away wealth in tax havens and using money solely to make more money seems to me to be a real waste of money because it's just not doing anything useful.

Joseann

It seems to me that if it's your own political party in power, they can do very little wrong. But if it's the opposition, then every failing is blown out of proportion to make a point.

We"re talking about the political party that has been in power for 13 years. We are living in a country which is poorer, has lost international respect, and threatens to break international law at the drop of a hat.
We have sewage polluting our rivers and coastal waters, making people ill who contact it; we have a disintegrating public health system; we have a disintegrating criminal justice system and a government actually demonising lawyers for doing their jobs. Education is in no great shape with school budgets cut to the bone and universities under attack.

We have had 5 Prime Ministers and god knows how many other ministers, in that period. Corruption has been rife, as has sexual misconduct and dereliction of parliamentary duties.

The list is endless and you think they are just minor failings blown up out of proportion to make a point?

God, I wish I lived on your planet....

And with the right contacts, as we have seen.

Maybe that is because many of them are London dwellers where money makes money?
I don't really care about anyone's wealth, but I know it is easier to make your money work for you in the right environment.

GrannyGravy13

Wealth isn’t a crime.

Being wealthy doesn’t mean that you lose your empathy gene.

One doesn’t have to be poor to realise the day to day struggles of those who are.

You can no more prove that 'the wealthy' have any empathy or understanding than I can fly, GG13.

OTOH 'wealthy' PMs have displayed utter indifference to the lives of the poorer among us.