An election looms, so I think it is time to look at all the success over the 13 years that we have witnessed from the government.

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They need a shock! Starmer's cynical move to the right has to be exposed for the disgrace it truly is. I will vote for any candidate not part of the established triumvirate. TUSC, Ind Labour, if no other option then the Greens, and hopefully they may hold the balance of power!

@kierstyanne

Replying to @silverrich39
I hear you. I agree. I suspect I have similar political views as you.I am asking genuine questions. This is part of the problem. I will not spoil my vote. How can we inspire a nation to not vote Tory or this version of labour if there are no real alternatives.i hate this labour.

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Agreed. Questions need answering as to Starmer's intentions in government. Serious journalists would call out his evasive responses. People deserve to know exactly what they are voting for. He takes far too much for granted where the electorate is concerned. #DontVoteLabour

How can we inspire a nation not to vote this version of labour?
Surely you dont need our help with that. If you look back on the strategies used in the last election they ensured no bugger voted labour, so just repeat that approach.

People aren’t listening to the left Grany, it’s obvious from Labour’s opinion poll ratings. I think many people respect the fact that he’s evasive for the time being actually, because it doesn’t give any ammunition to the Tories - it’s them that are his enemy if he is to be elected. Being evasive isn’t a sign you have no plans, it’s a sign that at this stage you feel it’s not the right time to share them.

This was the strategy Starmer used People’s Vote ensured four more years Tories

Why did Labour lose the 2019 Brexit general election? It lost because it changed its position from accepting the referendum to trying to stop Brexit.

Who is the person who insisted Labour stop Brexit and drove the campaign?
@Keir_Starmer

Starmer lost Labour the last election.

But what are his polices all Tory can’t tell the difference and Fiscal Rules More privatisation NHS

You’re in Fantasy world Grany, honestly. You surely can’t meld the political climate to be exactly how you want it when that isn’t what the electorate wants? Starmer recognises that, and to make any difference at all to the way the country has won, as the polls demonstrates, he is the best option on the table.

Polls demonstrate people dont want Tories, he is best wouldn't like to see the worst. His character has been looked at investigated his time in DPP ect and questions need to be asked. Why is he aligned with Isreal government getting rid of lifelong anti racist Jewish Labour members if you support Palestine you are anti semitic he says Isreal is not an apartheid state when it clearly is!. If he is doing all this to gain power you have to ask what sort of government it will be.

Yes, there’s a smear campaign happening Grany, but they are so desperate that you could drive a barge through the attempts. Most people see that.

It isn't a fantasy world. It is a world which brought out more people to vote for Labour in 2017 than had been seen for years. This was under the most left wing leadership the party had seen. 40% voted Labour 42% Conservative.
Most people support nationalising the railways
Most people support stopping privatisation of the NHS.
So why isn't Starmer supporting them? Possibly because he has been corrupted by the right wing officials who undermined Corbyn. Possibly because he is obsessed with self-promotion.
He may become PM. But the fact remains that there will be other people standing who will appeal more to left wingers and they may hold the balance.

Casdon

Yes, there’s a smear campaign happening Grany, but they are so desperate that you could drive a barge through the attempts. Most people see that.

It isn't a smear campaign. It is just pointing out the inconsistencies and broken promises he is responsible for.

Don't have to smear it's the truth. Labour right have weaponised anti semitism it was a smear campaign it was a scam.

I appreciate that this is the period in which the left hope to change their standing, because if it doesn’t affect the order by this years conference it will be too late before the next election.

However, you can’t speak for ‘most people’ Glorianny, which is why the opinion polls are the best gauge of public opinion. I fully understand why Starmer is sitting on the fence at the moment, as I said it’s not the left he’s worrying about it’s the Tories, and it’s the wrong time to give them any ammunition to bring Labour down. A smear campaign is inevitable, so the less they have the better.
Much as I’m enjoying this discussion I’ve got to out now or I’ll be lunchless, and worse, the dog will have no dinner tonight.

The Tories will have plenty to use against Starmer lies. Saying one thing then the exact opposite his inconsistencies lies. Still hop for hung parliament

Like we would take advice on what was a scam from someone who last week was posting links to my local convicted criminal conspiracy theorist, your judgement isnt reliable.

At least Keir was open about wanting to remain in the EU. Unlike Corbyn who never even had the decency to say that deep down he supported vote leave! That’s one of the things that lost Labour the last election, because pro EU voters like myself could see through him. Chants of ‘ where’s Jeremy Corbyn’ at the People’s vote marches are still ringing in my ears. Even now he’s regrouping with his long time pal Chris Williamson who even he had to get rid of, who then went on to stand against the Labour candidate in his old constituency, thereby splitting the vote. Was he not one of the people responsible for Labour not winning. Corbyn is like you, Grany: someone who is much happier sitting on the back benches criticising everything, including their own party, rather than taking on the responsibility of governing the country which is far from easy and full of the sort of grey pragmatic areas that extreme people from any party don’t understand. If any party suffered by their stance on Europe it was the LibDems and, given your support of the Green Party, no one was more vocal and eloquent about the need to remain in the EU and have a people’s vote than the admirable Caroline Lucas. So why give your vote to them? Apart from your hatred of Starmer I find your reasoning inconsistent.

I don't hate Starmer. I do like honesty I find him dishonest. People don't know what he stands for if anything. In the interview five stories about Starmer with investigative journalist Matt Kemard, he is seen as establishment so when in government he will cave in to right wing even more than he has done now changing his polices. As Kenard said Corbyn brought democracy Starmer does what the establishment want so no change.

In reply to Grany Wed 23-Aug-23 09:19:52. "I suspect I have similar political views".

So nice you have found the small group who agree with you Grany. But you must be aware that a far greater proportion disagree with your point of view than agree with it. I doubt they can be beaten into submission by the sort of posts you put up.

In a democracy, as in life, understanding and compromise always work better than revolution, which seems to be where the far-left - those to the left of social democracy and certainly to the left of democrats in general - seem to wish to take us.

The Labour leader led the Crown Prosecution Service when it was made aware of the existence of DNA that exonerated Andrew Malkinson - who spent 17 years behind bars for a rape he did not commit.

Andrew Malkinson: Sir Keir Starmer urged to co-operate with potential public inquiry into 'appalling' miscarriage of justice

news.sky.com/story/andrew-malkinson-sir-keir-starmer-urged-to-co-operate-with-potential-public-inquiry-into-appalling-miscarriage-of-justice-12940950

Also the journalist locked up in Belmarsh for exposing America’s war crimes. Who could be extradited to America any time. Starmer was responsible for that all emails at the time he was involved at DPP destroyed.

Just saying.

Grany

I don't hate Starmer. I do like honesty I find him dishonest. People don't know what he stands for if anything. In the interview five stories about Starmer with investigative journalist Matt Kemard, he is seen as establishment so when in government he will cave in to right wing even more than he has done now changing his polices. As Kenard said Corbyn brought democracy Starmer does what the establishment want so no change.

Corbyns ‘democracy’ pretty much resulted in the current government having the powers of a dictatorship. Fat lot of good that did. Most party leaders resign after an election defeat but Corbyn carried on because he wasn’t defeated as badly as was feared first time round. Anyway, Keir is leader of the Labour Party: nothing is going to change between now and the election and anyone that doesn’t support him is supporting the current government. Moan as much as you like after the election but please don’t gift the Conservatives another five years.

Grany

The Labour leader led the Crown Prosecution Service when it was made aware of the existence of DNA that exonerated Andrew Malkinson - who spent 17 years behind bars for a rape he did not commit.

Andrew Malkinson: Sir Keir Starmer urged to co-operate with potential public inquiry into 'appalling' miscarriage of justice

news.sky.com/story/andrew-malkinson-sir-keir-starmer-urged-to-co-operate-with-potential-public-inquiry-into-appalling-miscarriage-of-justice-12940950

Also the journalist locked up in Belmarsh for exposing America’s war crimes. Who could be extradited to America any time. Starmer was responsible for that all emails at the time he was involved at DPP destroyed.

Just saying.

What exactly are you ‘just saying’ Grany?
It actually specifically says in the article:
‘There is no suggestion that Sir Keir had any involvement in the case or was personally aware of it.’
Are you looking for omniscience in the Labour leader?

Casdon

Grany

The Labour leader led the Crown Prosecution Service when it was made aware of the existence of DNA that exonerated Andrew Malkinson - who spent 17 years behind bars for a rape he did not commit.

Andrew Malkinson: Sir Keir Starmer urged to co-operate with potential public inquiry into 'appalling' miscarriage of justice

news.sky.com/story/andrew-malkinson-sir-keir-starmer-urged-to-co-operate-with-potential-public-inquiry-into-appalling-miscarriage-of-justice-12940950

Also the journalist locked up in Belmarsh for exposing America’s war crimes. Who could be extradited to America any time. Starmer was responsible for that all emails at the time he was involved at DPP destroyed.

Just saying.

What exactly are you ‘just saying’ Grany?
It actually specifically says in the article:
‘There is no suggestion that Sir Keir had any involvement in the case or was personally aware of it.’
Are you looking for omniscience in the Labour leader?

Just saying that when things go wrong Starmer has a habit of saying not my fault.

I’m saying as Matt the investigative journalist said Starmer wants to please the Establishment in America and Britain He will go along with what they want.

. The autistic young chap who Starmer wanted to extradite to America May stopped as it was against his human rights. Starmer went to America to say sorry it was not my fault.

I and many people have doubts about Starmer that all.

I get the feeling that people think that the CPS is a one man band. That the DPP is personally involved in every single one of the thousands of cases it deals with every year.

MayBee70

Grany

I don't hate Starmer. I do like honesty I find him dishonest. People don't know what he stands for if anything. In the interview five stories about Starmer with investigative journalist Matt Kemard, he is seen as establishment so when in government he will cave in to right wing even more than he has done now changing his polices. As Kenard said Corbyn brought democracy Starmer does what the establishment want so no change.

Corbyns ‘democracy’ pretty much resulted in the current government having the powers of a dictatorship. Fat lot of good that did. Most party leaders resign after an election defeat but Corbyn carried on because he wasn’t defeated as badly as was feared first time round. Anyway, Keir is leader of the Labour Party: nothing is going to change between now and the election and anyone that doesn’t support him is supporting the current government. Moan as much as you like after the election but please don’t gift the Conservatives another five years.

I don’t want to keep on about this but it was Starmer who wanted a people vote that gave the tories the election Boris said Get Brexit Done.

In the 2017 Corbyn almost won if not for his paid staffers also Blair and Mandelson joined in who worked against a win

Im not the only one who is moaning about Starmer plenty are.

MaizieD

I get the feeling that people think that the CPS is a one man band. That the DPP is personally involved in every single one of the thousands of cases it deals with every year.

I know, it is ridiculous.

So the CPS knew about DNA evidence, failed to fulfil their duty by writing to the Criminal Cases Review Commission and considered their duty done because they informed Malkinson's solicitors. But the then head of the CPS considers none of this was anything to do with him. Whatever happened to taking responsibility? The buck it seems stops anywhere except Starmer's desk. And people really think they can trust him!!!

Glorianny

So the CPS knew about DNA evidence, failed to fulfil their duty by writing to the Criminal Cases Review Commission and considered their duty done because they informed Malkinson's solicitors. But the then head of the CPS considers none of this was anything to do with him. Whatever happened to taking responsibility? The buck it seems stops anywhere except Starmer's desk. And people really think they can trust him!!!

Which of the recent PMs and/or ministers have accepted that the buck stops with them? None that I can think of.