An election looms, so I think it is time to look at all the success over the 13 years that we have witnessed from the government.

^ if you have beef then start a new thread^.

You are not the thread police, Oreo

Whatever motive you might have ascribed to the OP, if someone comes and tells us that the subject of the thread is doing fine and we're a lot of moaning minnies, then I think it's fair enough to ask them to expand on that statement.

If randoms are brought into the thread then it takes a different path, but if you wish to talk about Michelle Mone or the other one then go ahead.Nothing to do with this thread tho.
CaroleAnn is as entitled to her opinion as you or me btw and doesn’t have to ‘expand’ on her statement.

You are just not defining success in the right way.

Just for example:

They have successfully removed the cap on banker's bonuses.

They have successfully ensured an additional 100,000 people are paying for private healthcare (2019 - 2022 figures), and the highest number ever have used private health insurance

They have successfully increased the number of children living in poverty from 3.6m in 2010 to 4.2 million in 2022, 350,000 of that increase between 2020 and 2022.

They have successfully introduced a loophole into the windfall taxes for energy companies, which will see them benefit to the tune of £10.6 billion in tax rebates between 2022 and 2027 - that roughly equates to funding pay rises for all NHS and education staff for the same period, which is quite obviously unaffordable... oh.

Do you think they could get the prize for the most 3 or 5 word targets (e.g.stop the boats , Make Britain great again) which they failed to reach ?

aonk

I’m very middle of the road when it comes to politics. I simply hope for what is best for the majority.
I would say one thing which you won’t like. The Tory party has prevented the Labour Party from being in power. We need to think of the reasons for this. One reason of course is Jeremy Corbyn but there are many others.

The Tory Party can't stop the Labour Party winning an election.
The Labour Party managed to lose all by themselves.

One reason of course is Jeremy Corbyn but there are many others

Jeremy Corbyn and Momentum, the SNP taking Scottish Labour votes, infighting in the Party etc.

Agree that the vaccination programme was a success. And good to have an Asian PM and more diverse representation in government.
Mmmm, can’t think of anything else that has been a success…..
Can think of lots of negatives but as these have been mentioned many times before I won’t go on and on.

Siope

You are just not defining success in the right way.

Just for example:

They have successfully removed the cap on banker's bonuses.

They have successfully ensured an additional 100,000 people are paying for private healthcare (2019 - 2022 figures), and the highest number ever have used private health insurance

They have successfully increased the number of children living in poverty from 3.6m in 2010 to 4.2 million in 2022, 350,000 of that increase between 2020 and 2022.

They have successfully introduced a loophole into the windfall taxes for energy companies, which will see them benefit to the tune of £10.6 billion in tax rebates between 2022 and 2027 - that roughly equates to funding pay rises for all NHS and education staff for the same period, which is quite obviously unaffordable... oh.

And they have made probably the largest ever handouts to their mates for crooked contracts, partly through Covid but also for pre-existing white elephants such as HS2.

Let’s not pretend that that this group of Tories exists for anything other than their own self-interest and to make sure the rich get richer while the rest of us pay. I don’t include all Tory politicians in this but certainly the rabble that have managed to gain control are not like anything that has gone before.

Always the same on here,full of lefties .well this is what you will all have to look forward to should starmer and his crew win the next general election .
1 higher taxes to pay for all the promised things and the nhs etc
2 green taxes far in excess of noe
3.house building on the green belt
4anybody and everybody allowed into this country cos they vote Labour
5vat on private education so our state schools even more oversubscribed as some can’t afford private anymore
6rayner as deputy leader of this country with disgusting crass comments
7total anti car attitude
8all strikers appeased and given into

And that’s all I can think of off the cuff .
Tories have got us brexit which was a majority vote whether remainers like it or not .starmer woukd have or will try to take us back in or do anything to make them happy .we are a sovereign country,not part of the eu.
Tories got us thru a pandemic ,we had the vaccine first .
They are trying to stop the boats .
They are trying to solve economic issues ,
We are fighting to stop putin
Lots of help with childcare and more coming
Oh people you soon forget how it was under Blair !

twinnytwin

But they haven't got rid of it - so surely it can be counted as a positive thing.

Didn't they ignore it for one year?

A lot of financial help through the pandemic and with fuel costs and the cost of living too, and I have read here in the last few days about initiatives such as installation of insulation and boiler replacements, even installation of heat pumps.

Oh people you soon forget how it was under Blair!

Oh, but he did stop smoking in public places for which I will be forever grateful Zoe65!

Callistemon21

^Oh people you soon forget how it was under Blair^!

Oh, but he did stop smoking in public places for which I will be forever grateful Zoe65!

I could name a lot of things that were better under Blair, public services ran far more effectively, waiting lists were shorter. Actually, my political memory is long, it goes back even further than Thatcher, Thatcher, Milk Snatcher.
Anybody who is even slightly left of centre is branded a leftie on here, it’s actually quite amusing - I don’t think people realise that many of us are centre left, whereas they are much further to the right. I suppose it’s all relative.

Well yes, I voted for him but felt let down.

I think anyone who had a relative in a Staffordshire hospital may never forget that dreadful episode.
😥

Nor the Iraq war.

aonk

I’m very middle of the road when it comes to politics. I simply hope for what is best for the majority.
I would say one thing which you won’t like. The Tory party has prevented the Labour Party from being in power. We need to think of the reasons for this. One reason of course is Jeremy Corbyn but there are many others.

That would be the voting system then.

In the last general election, the number of voters it took to get each seat (one seat) per party was:

38,300 Conservative
50,800 Labour
336,000 Lib Dem
25,900 SNP
866,400 Green

That is not representative democracy!

You do not sound anywhere near the" middle of the road" in politics aonk. If there is no way you could compromise with Labour on their policies you can't possibly be. In fact I would say you're quite far to the right. Perhaps you mean the middle of the right?

Perhaps you can explain your view of "middle of the road" a little more specifically.

Callistemon21

Well yes, I voted for him but felt let down.

I think anyone who had a relative in a Staffordshire hospital may never forget that dreadful episode.
😥

Nor the Iraq war.

Things go wrong in every government though. We all remember the bad things - but how many hospital/care/education scandals are there, year on year, whoever is in charge politically.
The Iraq war was a big mistake, but it was approved by parliament, not a Tony Blair maverick whim.
I don’t know what the answer is, nothing is perfect and it never will be, I just want to move on for the sake of the future of the UK from the self serving bunch of charlatans who are in power at the moment.

How rude!!

Sorry if I appear to be making a crude comment here, but Joseane implied that one of the benefits of having this Tory government was that the teen pregnancy rate has come down. Yes it has, but that's because, they have discovered online, virtual, share the photos and video sex.

I don't have it in front of me just now, but the most recent Mirror Newspaper poll puts dis-satisfaction about BREXIT at 86%. Democracy means listening to the majority vote, but, it also means being able to vote again on the same issue. So, how do we thing the next BREXIT vote will go?

Maremia

Sorry if I appear to be making a crude comment here, but Joseane implied that one of the benefits of having this Tory government was that the teen pregnancy rate has come down. Yes it has, but that's because, they have discovered online, virtual, share the photos and video sex.

😲

Well, it needs less energy, I suppose.

Callistemon21

How rude!!

Sorry, but that is my opinion. I would never have said that in the past, I think that the cabinets were honourable and doing their best for the country, even though I didn’t agree with much of what they did. There are some very good Tory MPs, it’s the leadership I have the issue with. I’ve seen no evidence at all that since Johnson came into power they have the interests of the country at heart.

I worked in education in the Blair years and there was a lot of money around - special needs assistants, sports coaching, money for arts and drama, now teachers have to justify every photocopy, sports and music provision have been slashed and class sizes have got huge. I’m glad I’m not a teacher now.

Callistemon21

How rude!!

Who? What?

I find sticking "How rude" in a post, attached to nothing or no one, aggressive. But at least you know the who, what and why of it.

Would you care to explain? I'm sure we will all be very interested.

WWM2 is mischief making but obviously does not watch the stock market. Anyone who has collected ISAS over the years will.like me, have experienced big losses on many shares, although as I never sell these days, I can hope the share market will recover. I have said here the current crop of politicians are of rather low calibre. They start off as volunteer assistants then get a job with their politician in the Commons and then stand themselves. Many have never have worked outside politics. I wish WWM2 and others would acknlowledge that Chris Bryant stood up in Parliament and stated that Nigel Farage had taken many thousands for appearing on Russia today. Farage has said exactly what he earned and challenged Bryant to repeat his allegations outside Parliament. Chris Bryant has refused todo so. I am a rather disappointed Tory who is not a Farage fan, but Chris Bryant tells lies in the Commons and that is fine! He could give Bojo a run for his money! Can we not accept that the.Country expects Sir Keir and the Labour Party to win the next election and we will find out whether they make difference. I think there are important changes coming. Labour will make the NHS work, solve transport problems spend money on education. It will be a brave new world after the general election. All the Labourites here will be over the moon and the Scottish brigade will have been successful in shutting down any thread about the SNP here ( sub judicial being the rather doubtful reason) However, if they lose office to Labour there will be every excuse under the sun. We live in interesting times.

Casdon

Callistemon21

How rude!!

Sorry, but that is my opinion. I would never have said that in the past, I think that the cabinets were honourable and doing their best for the country, even though I didn’t agree with much of what they did. There are some very good Tory MPs, it’s the leadership I have the issue with. I’ve seen no evidence at all that since Johnson came into power they have the interests of the country at heart.

No, Casdon, not you!! 🙂

It was DAR's rather rude comment to aonk
Unpleasant.

DaisyAnneReturns

Callistemon21

How rude!!

Who? What?

I find sticking "How rude" in a post, attached to nothing or no one, aggressive. But at least you know the who, what and why of it.

Would you care to explain? I'm sure we will all be very interested.

Yes, I should have quoted you.

But I was rather shocked at your rude post to aonk.