Refugees moved OFF BibbyStockholm barge..

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Callistemon21

GrannyGravy13

Germanshepherdsmum

Primrose53

If it is Legionnaires disease that can happen in the best hotels anywhere. My friend visited a very posh hotel in Shropshire and just after she got home they had it and had to notify her.

It’s also common in swimming pools, hospitals and spas. Not sure why people are calling the Government names like “hopeless” and “incompetent and heartless”.

Any excuse to bash the government Primrose, any excuse.

They also need to find the source of the bacteria, it could be in the pipes coming onto the barge, in which case any other outlets the pipes serve need to be tested.

I said that 😀

Legionnaires happens when there is poor management of the control systems, we had a very strict procedure in the NHS for flushing supplies, and hotels and other businesses where people stay should be doing the same. It’s managed through government legislation.
www.hse.gov.uk/legionnaires/what-you-must-do.htm
I would expect that this would have been a delegated function for a company commissioned by the government to maintain the Biiby Stockholm, rather than a direct government responsibility.
I take issue with what Primrose says though, Legionnaires is not common, there are only about 500 events a year in the UK, and it’s always to be treated very seriously where it is found.

Dinahmo

Many years ago a friend caught Legionella walking past an hotel in Leicester Square. She was asked whether she had been to that hotel, which she hadn't, but she'd breathed in the air being extracted from the kitchens as she walked past.

I remember it happening in a town in the North (was it Barrow?) too when seven people died and others became very ill. That was from the outlet from an aircon unit in a Council building.

It's everywhere and constantly checks should be made which they were in this case.
However, no-one should have been allowed on board before results came through, the source traced and the systems cleansed.

Legionnaires is not common

It can be quite common if proper maintenance is not carried out. The systems should be in place to regularly treat and check. Sloppy maintenance is the problem.

My friends’ DH died of legionnaires a couple of years ago. it was a horrible painful end.

Callistemon21

^Legionnaires is not common^

It can be quite common if proper maintenance is not carried out. The systems should be in place to regularly treat and check. Sloppy maintenance is the problem.

It absolutely is, it will happen if the control processes are not rigorously employed, that’s why the guidance is so stringent. It’s a very serious health risk.

Refugees who apply for asylum in France are given accommodation. The ones camping round the ports have not asked for asylum in France and don’t want to get into the French system, they are trying to stowaway on lorries or take a small boat across to England. We couldn’t not give them accommodation as imagine the outcry if we had tens of thousands camping in our towns , or as many do, more just disappearing under the radar to work in the black economy or being dragged into crime. It’s better that we keep tabs, as far as possible, on those that arrive.

I contracted LD in 1986, from a jacuzzi. It's a nasty disease, and with its complications, has left me with life-long health problems.

I was in hospital a month, 3 weeks in ITU, in a coma.

They need to find out where the infected water source is.🙁

I can remember ages ago a ward in the Hospital I work shutting due to a routine check found Legionnaires in the Shower.
They check routinely in hospitals and
Government bases.

westendgirl

Surely the minister was informed and the Home Secretary.
A resigning matter if that is the case .

Either they knew, or they didn't- in both case total incompetence bordering on criminal.

Casdon

Callistemon21

GrannyGravy13

Germanshepherdsmum

Primrose53

If it is Legionnaires disease that can happen in the best hotels anywhere. My friend visited a very posh hotel in Shropshire and just after she got home they had it and had to notify her.

It’s also common in swimming pools, hospitals and spas. Not sure why people are calling the Government names like “hopeless” and “incompetent and heartless”.

Any excuse to bash the government Primrose, any excuse.

They also need to find the source of the bacteria, it could be in the pipes coming onto the barge, in which case any other outlets the pipes serve need to be tested.

I said that 😀

Legionnaires happens when there is poor management of the control systems, we had a very strict procedure in the NHS for flushing supplies, and hotels and other businesses where people stay should be doing the same. It’s managed through government legislation.
www.hse.gov.uk/legionnaires/what-you-must-do.htm
I would expect that this would have been a delegated function for a company commissioned by the government to maintain the Biiby Stockholm, rather than a direct government responsibility.
I take issue with what Primrose says though, Legionnaires is not common, there are only about 500 events a year in the UK, and it’s always to be treated very seriously where it is found.

Maybe I should have said “not that uncommon” then. I realise it is serious too.

Visgir1

I can remember ages ago a ward in the Hospital I work shutting due to a routine check found Legionnaires in the Shower.
They check routinely in hospitals and
Government bases.

Exactly- surely a facility that was going to be used to house 100s should have been checked thoroughly beforehand!

As soon as the awful Jenrick assured us that the barge was safe it was just a question of time. They continue to live down to my expectations

When we started doing holiday lets the agency really tried to pressurise me into getting a hot tub but I refused because I had read articles where people had caught Legionnaires from hot tubs which have not been cleaned thoroughly. Too much responsibility and I would feel dreadful if anything happened to someone.

JenniferEccles

It makes me so cross that we are paying millions to France to stop these boats yet still they come. The government is thwarted at every turn in trying to cope with the huge numbers turning up here, but the barge did seem to be a cheaper way of housing these migrants.

It’s impossible to overestimate just how stressful this issue must be for the government, but paying six million pounds A DAY for hotel accommodation is not sustainable.

If only the Rwanda plan could go ahead, there’s every chance that could act as a sufficient deterrent.

Record day today. Another 755 today!!

Ex Labour MP on GB News tonight says Rwanda is perfectly safe, is a great place to live (he has a home there) and a thriving economy. It is known as The Switzerland of Africa as it is also very beautiful. He says it would be a great place for economic migrants to make a new life.

There are also no laws or rules there that people cannot be homosexual so another good reason for some of them to go. Bang goes another excuse!

I think if it was known before, or when they boarded then it is sheer negligence allowing them to continue.
Incidentally I would never use a hot tube anywhere. My medical friends and I call them rectal washouts.

Hot tube 😱
Hot tub!
I wouldn’t use a hot tube either……

This reads like an episode of a government farce

Jon Sopel

So how has government’s ‘stop the boats’ week gone?
* barge now being emptied
* 750 new arrivals yesterday; total at 100k
* Many more expected with calm seas
* Border Force vessel breaks down
* £400k monitor drone crashes into sea
* Lee Anderson says policy has failed.

The most sensible thing and one which would stop the small board would be to take up the French offer of a processing centre on the French coast.

But it doesn’t fit the government agenda..

They need the “enemy” still coming across in small boats to help fight the next election.

So legionnaires was discovered as a possibility on Monday, the same day as refugees entered the barge
So my question is why was this allowed to proceed?
Is it incompetence?
Is it negligence?
Is it a clarion call to the hard of thinking?
Small boats week, how's that going?

It's just a complete shambles, just like everything else. I despair!

GrannyGravy13

Sorry Callistemon21 I am multi tasking, and badly 🤣

😀 that's fine, juggling is not always easy.

I mentioned this to DH and now I'm an expert on Legionella and how it should be dealt with.

He finds the fact that it was there entirely possible but the fact it had not been dealt with inexcusable.

Primrose53

If it is Legionnaires disease that can happen in the best hotels anywhere. My friend visited a very posh hotel in Shropshire and just after she got home they had it and had to notify her.

It’s also common in swimming pools, hospitals and spas. Not sure why people are calling the Government names like “hopeless” and “incompetent and heartless”.

It is not common I swimming pools, hospitals and spas because they have a legal responsibility to check and to keep records which show they have checked. This is why the smarter of us are calling the government incompetent and hopeless.

…can we have the money back we are shovelling to Macron? Or at the very least, stop paying the French and put these HUGE amounts to better use.

Indeed. What exactly are the French doing that they need so much money? What are they doing with the money? 750 arrived yesterday! I would defy any government in any country to cope with it. I think we do very well by these people. But I really would like to know what the French are taking the money for and how it is being used since it seems to have no effect on the migrants arriving here.

Whitewavemark2

The most sensible thing and one which would stop the small board would be to take up the French offer of a processing centre on the French coast.

But it doesn’t fit the government agenda..

They need the “enemy” still coming across in small boats to help fight the next election.

So why didn't the government take up the offer - 'officially'?

Surely it could potentially drastically reduced the number of small boats?

Perhaps the government didn't want to be seen to be working too closely with France in case red-blooded Brexiters thought the government was 'back-tracking' on Brexit. I'm sure it would cost a bit to set-up, but would that cost compare with the £5 million a day, or whatever the figure is...