54 migrants rescued this morning in French waters are brought to UK

Perhaps but how many out of the 100,000 since 2018 who arrived by dinghy are surgeons a handful I would guess.

Nicenanny3

12:38HousePlantQueen

You mean the illegal Rwanda scheme which is meant to be a deterrent? Fine lot of good that is. And for those of you worried about this so called infiltration by the Wagner group you weren’t worried about Lebedev being put into the House of Lords were you? and very few people were the slightest bit concerned when the Foreign Secretary, one B Johnson, was seen hung over, no security detail, at Perugia airport after a weekend at Lebedev snr's villa in Italy.

*Perhaps if the Rwanda scheme which is going through The Supreme Court at the moment had not been blocked by Labour, Keir Starmer and the left instead of getting on this dinghy last night having paid thousands of Euros to the criminal gangs they might have decided to stay in France or another safe country, actually I blame Labour and the Left for this tragedy. Labour just trying to score political points and not backing the government should hang their heads in shame*

Inaccurate again Nicenanny3. The Illegal Migration Bill passed through the Commons, was rejected by the Lords, and is now subject to court of Appeal because it was ruled unlawful. Labour don’t agree with it, but that wasn’t the reason it hasn’t progressed.

There should be proper processing centres, so that we can take those who we need, and those who have genuine grounds to seek asylum.

That way, with economic migrants, we would know who they are, what their skill sets are, and where they're going to live.

Refugees are different, but we would know who they were, and where they were fleeing from.

Assuming that everyone who rocks in a dinghy, passport less, are here for good reasons, or fleeing in terror, is a bit naive. And, of course, processing is taking much too much time.

These traffickers are evil, earning a fortune, and uncaring about who drowns - we do need to stop them.

Nicenanny3

Perhaps but how many out of the 100,000 since 2018 who arrived by dinghy are surgeons a handful I would guess.

Ok, you cling to your prejudice if it makes you feel better, although given the state of the NHS under your Tory administration, even a handful of surgeons are welcome as far as I am concerned.

Trouble is there aren’t any legal rotes for many. However, this government have stirred up the small boats issue when , in fact, most asylum seekers don’t arrive on small boats. Far more come on regular plane flights , maybe as visitors or students or to stay with relatives. It’s those from the most chaotic countries such as Afghanistan and Syria who are more likely to have to arrive on the boats as they have no documents and have to flee their homes. The tories don’t highlight this fact.

You are not being fair to the French. They have repeatedly offered refugees homes and jobs in rural France, but this does not suit the refugees who all insist they want to get to Britain and leave France illegally.

They were presumably off-loaded in England because they either were rescued in British territorial waters, or because weather conditions made it too dangerous to sail them back to France.

Mind you, in support of those of you on here who seem to think that some asylum seekers, or 'illegals' as you like to call them, are simply economic migrants and not fleeing persecution or terror; if your rules were applied, we would not have given a home and education to the families of Pritti Patel, Suella Braverman, Nazim Zadawi and other members of the 'pull the ladder up' club, so there is some merit in your argument.

HousePlantQueen

Mind you, in support of those of you on here who seem to think that some asylum seekers, or 'illegals' as you like to call them, are simply economic migrants and not fleeing persecution or terror; if your rules were applied, we would not have given a home and education to the families of Pritti Patel, Suella Braverman, Nazim Zadawi and other members of the 'pull the ladder up' club, so there is some merit in your argument.

I sometimes think that the anti migrant stance that people like Braverman, Patel et al take is somehow seen to be acceptable because they are second/third generation migrants. As if it can’t be seen to be racist because you can’t be racist against your own race. It’s something I can’t get my head around and they never seem to be questioned about it.

Well, yes, not taking that motley group would actually have been better...😉

But, I don't think they are all fleeing terror, no.

DiamondLily

Well, yes, not taking that motley group would actually have been better...😉

But, I don't think they are all fleeing terror, no.

I don’t think anybody does think that DiamondLily, it’s just that some of think not processing all migrants in a timely way is compounding the issues. If the system was effective economic migrants wouldn’t come here because they would be screened out in France at the assessment centres.

6 million a day

So over the course of a year, they cost every person in this country just over £30

Which, if they are eventually given the option to work they will pay back in taxes in their first week of employment

I am happy with that

This is what CNN are now reporting.
"French officials said the country’s navy rescued 42 people and are transporting them to Calais, including five of the people who lost their lives. British ships rescued around 13 people, who have been taken to Dover in the UK."
I wonder if the OP will ask for her thread title to be changed?

You’re only talking about hotel accommodation VS. Are you happy with overcrowded classrooms including children who don’t speak English and increased difficulty in getting a medical appointment or being seen reasonably promptly in A&E?

There are very strict rules around classroom size

Children learn English very quickly

Some of them will be doctors and teachers

Can anyone understand why every photo seems to show boatloads of young men? What is happening to their families, their children, if they are fleeing such terrible conditions?

Nicenanny
With respect you’re arguing a subject that you obviously have little knowledge of.
Can I ask why, when you quote a post you write in perceived text but your own post is in bold which is used for emphasis.

A Labour government brought in a cap for the number of children in each class; this was abandoned as being impractical about eighteen months later. Since then efforts have been made to limit class numbers. A school in the London borough in which I worked some years ago was featured in a documentary; in an effort to cope there were portakabin classrooms covering large areas of the playground, and nineteen different languages were spoken in the school. I cannot imagine life has become any easier for that borough in the last ten years.

LovesBach

Can anyone understand why every photo seems to show boatloads of young men? What is happening to their families, their children, if they are fleeing such terrible conditions?

This has been explained on numerous occasions. They embark on a long, arduous dangerous journey. A family will pay to send the one most capable of coping with that. If our country was suddenly at war who would you send to another country in the hope that they can help the family? Would you send women and children? Or a young, fit man.

LovesBach

Can anyone understand why every photo seems to show boatloads of young men? What is happening to their families, their children, if they are fleeing such terrible conditions?

this has been answered repeatedly, I can't be bothered to go through it all again, although perhaps someone else will

LovesBach

Can anyone understand why every photo seems to show boatloads of young men? What is happening to their families, their children, if they are fleeing such terrible conditions?

Yes, it is a puzzle. The countries these young men say they are fleeing from, often treat women and children even more harshly.

I wonder why they would leave their wives and children behind.

It's not always a given that their relatives can join them afterwards.

But, something has got to give here - there just aren't enough homes for everyone, we don't build enough, and people cannot live in hotels/tents/barges forever.

A homeless charity worker was on the radio this morning, not talking about refugees, just about homelessness.

On Oxford Street last night, they counted over 400 hundred people sleeping in doorways etc. That's one road in London.

We have so many homeless, and this is adding to the chaos.

DiamondLily

LovesBach

Can anyone understand why every photo seems to show boatloads of young men? What is happening to their families, their children, if they are fleeing such terrible conditions?

Yes, it is a puzzle. The countries these young men say they are fleeing from, often treat women and children even more harshly.

I wonder why they would leave their wives and children behind.

It's not always a given that their relatives can join them afterwards.

But, something has got to give here - there just aren't enough homes for everyone, we don't build enough, and people cannot live in hotels/tents/barges forever.

A homeless charity worker was on the radio this morning, not talking about refugees, just about homelessness.

On Oxford Street last night, they counted over 400 hundred people sleeping in doorways etc. That's one road in London.

We have so many homeless, and this is adding to the chaos.

I thought that, during the pandemic, the government said they were going to do something to help the growing number of homeless people in this country. Or was that another Johnson empty promise?

MayBee70

DiamondLily

LovesBach

Can anyone understand why every photo seems to show boatloads of young men? What is happening to their families, their children, if they are fleeing such terrible conditions?

Yes, it is a puzzle. The countries these young men say they are fleeing from, often treat women and children even more harshly.

I wonder why they would leave their wives and children behind.

It's not always a given that their relatives can join them afterwards.

But, something has got to give here - there just aren't enough homes for everyone, we don't build enough, and people cannot live in hotels/tents/barges forever.

A homeless charity worker was on the radio this morning, not talking about refugees, just about homelessness.

On Oxford Street last night, they counted over 400 hundred people sleeping in doorways etc. That's one road in London.

We have so many homeless, and this is adding to the chaos.

I thought that, during the pandemic, the government said they were going to do something to help the growing number of homeless people in this country. Or was that another Johnson empty promise?

Hmmm. Well, I'd be shocked and horrified if Johnson has made a phoney promise....🙄

I always viewed him as an honest broker lol 😉

VioletSky

There are very strict rules around classroom size

Children learn English very quickly

Some of them will be doctors and teachers

Whilst the children are learning English presumably they require a translator and the rest of the class are held up?
Some may be doctors and teachers but they can’t work as such until they have obtained further qualifications here.

It doesn't matter how many times certain issues are explained

People will only hear what they want to hear so they can keep their prejudice and opinions intact

The world would be in a terrible way if everyone placed more importance on being "right" over facts and no one was capable of personal growth

Why do people blame migrants for a failure to see a GP or be seen at A and E? How many of the NHS staff are migrants compared with how many patients? ( most patients are over 65 of course)