Re-negotiate the Dublin Agreement and provide safe passage

Interesting question. In September 2020 the EU adopted a New Pact on Migration and Asylum. No member state should disproportionately take responsibility for asylum seekers but all members should participate in hosting asylum seekers.
The UK needs to recognise the concept of fair share - are we under or over the threshold acceptable to the EU?

We are not in the Dublin agreement as we left it in 2020. Another benifit of Brexit.

Jackiest

We are not in the Dublin agreement as we left it in 2020. Another benifit of Brexit.

I think most are more than aware of that, but if we re-negotiated, then it would drastically cut people coming to the U.K. and if we opened safe passage it would stop the drownings.

The people smugglers would lose all their trade.

It is so simple but if course this is never going to happen under this government.

Are you not missing the major point that a lot of people do not want any immigrants? Unless they fill Uk job vacancies?

Like the system before 1994 or whenever it was, when it changed?

Well, according to WiKi, so not sure if it's right, the Dublin agreement seemed to be about claiming asylum in the first EU country arrived at:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_Regulation

DiamondLily

Well, according to WiKi, so not sure if it's right, the Dublin agreement seemed to be about claiming asylum in the first EU country arrived at:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_Regulation

I assume you post was to fancythat

And yes that is the point of the Dublin agreement - it was always on the table and if we’d reached an agreement this problem simply would never have happened.

But Johnson never got around to dealing with it.

Of course. It's all the Tories fault.

As the Tories have been in govt for 13 years it's hard to find anyone else to blame.

Really? So are they responsible for all the upheavals, wars, droughts and economic problems faced by countries in the middle East, Europe and Africa? that are leading all these people to UK. It's a far more nuanced situation than just blaming the Tories.

Surely even the tories should have services in place,working efficiently to "process" the migrant claims....or are you absolving tories from their incompetence in almost everything they touch.I discount the vast sums of cash given to their mates of course...that wasn't a mistake .Thats the tory way!

Aveline

Really? So are they responsible for all the upheavals, wars, droughts and economic problems faced by countries in the middle East, Europe and Africa? that are leading all these people to UK. It's a far more nuanced situation than just blaming the Tories.

No of course not.

But they are responsible for the total failure in their dealing with the situation. They always had the answer in their hands but through sheer incompetence and ideological dogma they have failed.

There are no easy answers. I'm amazed anyone thinks there are.

Aveline

There are no easy answers. I'm amazed anyone thinks there are.

So why do you think that renegotiate the Dublin Agreement and safe passage won’t work?

Apart from it being impossible to address why they want to come here how can asylum staff hope to assess the claims of people who turn up with no papers or proof of any kind as to who they are or where they come from. They have to try to work out who is a genuine refugee and who an economic migrant and who might be from one of the many terrorist groups who have pledged attacks in UK. Get that wrong even once and the asylum staff are in all kinds of trouble (as we might be too) .
It's really not easy at all.

Aveline

Apart from it being impossible to address why they want to come here how can asylum staff hope to assess the claims of people who turn up with no papers or proof of any kind as to who they are or where they come from. They have to try to work out who is a genuine refugee and who an economic migrant and who might be from one of the many terrorist groups who have pledged attacks in UK. Get that wrong even once and the asylum staff are in all kinds of trouble (as we might be too) .
It's really not easy at all.

Do you understand the Dublin Agreement?

Your post seems to suggest that you would like no asylum seekers to be allowed to the UK?

I have no problem with genuine asylum seekers. Who decides who is genuine and who is not? It's just not that simple.

Aveline

I have no problem with genuine asylum seekers. Who decides who is genuine and who is not? It's just not that simple.

No it certainly isn’t simple, but that shouldn’t stop us should it?

Or maybe THIS instead of renegotiating the Dublin Agreement?

“Leaving the EU was supposed to give us back control of our borders. But we won’t truly get back control until we leave the ECHR as well.

We should ask ourselves what purpose is served by having a foreign court which supervises our rights and liberties. Canada, Australia and New Zealand seem perfectly happy that they can protect the rights of their citizens without needing to subject themselves to some external regional court. When the foreign court to which we have subjected ourselves is as deeply flawed as Strasbourg, the question should not be “why should we leave” but “why on Earth are we still a member?”

Martin Howe KC is chairman of Lawyers for Britain

You’d expect home to say that *Urmstongran. Lawyers for Britain is a body of lawyers, academics, retired judges & constitutional specialists who campaigned for Leave in the referendum who claim to now be working constructively towards the best Brexit. They are biased.

And highly intelligent Casdon?

Urmstongran

And highly intelligent Casdon?

Well yes, but there are plenty of equally intelligent lawyers, academics, retired judges & constitutional specialists who don’t think the same, because it entirely depends on your political perspective.

Agreed.

It’s just that I align myself with this particular set of academics. Which is why, like them, I voted as I did.

You and others, chose differently.

The power of the ballot box eh? 😊

Yes, I can’t wait until the next referendum when we will ultimately vote to go back in.

Aveline

I have no problem with genuine asylum seekers. Who decides who is genuine and who is not? It's just not that simple.

I’ve mostly given up posting on asylum seeker threads, because I can’t be bothered with the usual suspects’ racism and xenophobia.

Since I think this is a genuine query: there is a clearly defined process for assessing undocumented asylum seekers. If you care to google, you will find, thanks to FoI requests, the Home Office guidance on assessment. It’s well over 100 pages long and very detailed. The reasons some asylum seekers have no documents is clearly explained. However, details of the tests that are used for proving the validity of claims, particularly for the undocumented, are redacted, because civil servants aren’t daft. You may or may not want to believe me when I say the tests are robust and effective, but do require a government prepared to adequately resource the process, the staff, the training, and the scrutiny, which this government has not been.

The system worked efficiently and effectively when asylum seeker numbers were higher than they are now - the peak of asylum claims was in 2002. Last year’s figures were the highest they have been for several years but were 88% of the 2002 numbers. It is worth noting that there were not the backlogs or associated huge costs in 2002.