Conservative "NHS week"

ronib

foxie48 interesting point but if there’s a 10k shortfall in doctors is that because the Nhs isn’t actively recruiting from abroad? Is the Nhs still wedded to best buck for the bang management philosophy?

Perhaps you should read this report for the Kings Fund, published last year. It might answer your questions

www.kingsfund.org.uk/sites/default/files/2022-11/NHS_staffing_shortages_final_web%20%282%29.pdf

Fleurpepper

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Fleurpepper

ronib

46 percent of doctors joining NHS England are from abroad. If pay and conditions are thought to be unacceptable to British born and trained medics, why does the NHS continue to attract migrant doctors and nurses? And let’s be thankful and honest that it does.

It would be very interesting to see where from?
I'd hazard a guess that few are from Europe.

One big factor is as MaizieD describes- but another is language. Most doctors from abroad will have studied English at least until University, but not German, French, Italian, or any other European language- barring them from practising there.

You’d be wrong on that one Fleupepper, as 8% of doctors in the UK (10,862) reported an EU nationality in the last survey in 2022. A lot of them will be in permanent roles I would think, not trainees.

This is not at all what I said. I was responding to Ronib's comment, which said

'46 percent of doctors joining NHS England are from abroad.

Not talking about those who have been in permanent rôles for many years.

Sorry, I misinterpreted what you meant, but you’d still be wrong, here’s an update on EU recruitment.
hospitalhealthcare.com/news/eu-doctors-joining-nhs-workforce-to-have-automatic-recognition-for-at-least-five-more-years/#:~:text=An%20average%20of%20more%20than,annually%2C%20according%20to%20the%20DHSC.

The majority of NHS staff in June last year was majority British,
at nearly 1.25 million. The next largest Indian, 44,000. Unfortunately unable to show site as can't copy on this tablet, ,
NHS workforce Statistics.
The NHS has always been a moveable feast, medical staff coming, going, rotations,back home, moving around the UK. Even Nursing staff move as I did, for experience. Overseas nurses come for training, some go home some stay. Its not a new thing at all, and certainly happened back even to the 60s. As for pay well could be better,but they all forget to mention the enhanced weekend pay, night pay, 6 weeks plus bank ho.idays leave, excellent pension and sick pay. No living on ssp for NHS workers.

Working in the NHS will never be stress free, the nature of the job, . .
A junior Dr is a trainee, the pay is commensurate with being a trainee.

MaizieD so conclusion is that the Nhs will need more software engineers working in the Nhs in the next 15 years?? I really don’t think so.

The conservative party do not want to see the NHS continue for the public good. Their agenda is to privitise the NHS and they have already moved quite far towards that end.

Freya5

The majority of NHS staff in June last year was majority British,
at nearly 1.25 million. The next largest Indian, 44,000. Unfortunately unable to show site as can't copy on this tablet, ,
NHS workforce Statistics.
The NHS has always been a moveable feast, medical staff coming, going, rotations,back home, moving around the UK. Even Nursing staff move as I did, for experience. Overseas nurses come for training, some go home some stay. Its not a new thing at all, and certainly happened back even to the 60s. As for pay well could be better,but they all forget to mention the enhanced weekend pay, night pay, 6 weeks plus bank ho.idays leave, excellent pension and sick pay. No living on ssp for NHS workers.

Working in the NHS will never be stress free, the nature of the job, . .
A junior Dr is a trainee, the pay is commensurate with being a trainee.

A junior doctor is every doctor except a consultant and no, the pay is not commensurate with being a "trainee". I'm afraid your comment shows a lack of understanding of how doctors are trained and who does the training.
The NHS is not a "moveable feast" junior doctors do not move around out of choice, it is a product of the way specialist training is organised.
Of course doctors and nurses get "enhanced " pay for working weekends, night, bank holidays, Christmas, Easter etc, the NHS is a 24/7, 365 days service and every employer pays extra to people working those shifts, the difference is Doctors don't get a choice in the matter and they don't get paid the same level of enhancement of other workers.
No job which carries responsibility is ever "stress free" nor should it be. It is the level of stress that is of relevance, if the stress means that too many people decide to leave, then surely the amount of stress is too great? I don't want an over stressed doctor making decisions about my care and I don't think they should be doing it for anyone.
I have posted a link from the House of Commons library regarding the make up of the NHS staff, do feel free to reference it and do have a look, it is very informative.

varian

The conservative party do not want to see the NHS continue for the public good. Their agenda is to privitise the NHS and they have already moved quite far towards that end.

Exactly!

Watch that You Tube video I posted ....

ronib

MaizieD so conclusion is that the Nhs will need more software engineers working in the Nhs in the next 15 years?? I really don’t think so.

Well I am inclined to agree with maizie as a result of my experience as a patients wife and talking to my second cousin (doctor).

What is happening in the medical world is revolutionary and robots are playing the major role.

In 2013 I signed a letter stating that I consented for my medical notes to be shared between GP's hospitals etc.

They they didn't do it after spending £10 million saying -
"The £4.3bn which the department expects to spend might be better used to buy systems that are proven to work, that are good value for money and which deliver demonstrable benefits to the NHS."

In 2022, my new consultant had to write to 5 different hospitals to get all my medical notes together!

Another Tory waste of money!

Yes

Well I can see the GP generated notes in my Hospital..
As well as the ones generated on site within the Trust. bloods /XR /meds ECG's etc all results fed into same system. Not sure if it's the same as the one mentioned but we only use these now. On the wards all data is record via a hand held device.
Wards rounds are accompaned with a COW.. (compute on wheels). Notes generated on paper are transferred to data.

Only snag is if the patient in GP land refuses consent to share.

Can't say I've noticed Tory Health Week. What's next?

Waiting with bated breath.
In the meantime the previous week’s asylum seekers campaign has stalled, and yesterday he refused to commit to stopping small boats by the next election despite his pledge. One positive from that is that it’s rumoured he will shuffle Braverman in the autumn.
His best strategy is probably to keep his head down for a while.

My guess is Tory Crime Week. Braverman, I read, is about to launch an initiative on crime.

'Tory Crime Week', Grantanow?

Are they about to 'fess up to them all?

I think it should be "Tory empathy week" when they showcase all the changes they have made to improve people's lives. Not the lives of Tory donors, people who got lucrative covid contracts or the really quite well off but ordinary everyday working people who keep this country afloat. People who pay their taxes, don't have offshore tax arrangements, just ordinary people. People who send their children to state schools, people who use the NHS, People who are renting or buying their homes who are struggling a bit. Just ordinary people.

Braverman fesses up this morning to start Tory Crime Week: under the Law and Order Party the police haven't been solving minor crimes for 13 years! More revelations will likely follow.

I think you may be right about crime week, listening to this mornings news.

Isn't what they announced today something Labour announced a couple if weeks ago?

Doctors and consultants have today announced joint strike action:

The BMA said consultants will strike on 19 and 20 September with Christmas Day levels of cover, while junior doctors will also walk out on 20 September with similar levels of cover, followed by further strikes on 21 and 22 September.

Both consultants and junior doctors will strike again on 2, 3, and 4 October, again with Christmas Day levels of cover, in what the union said was the first joint strike between consultants and junior doctors in NHS history.

news.sky.com/story/junior-doctors-and-consultants-to-go-on-joint-strike-for-first-time-in-nhs-history-12951664

I think it's the end of Tory Crime Week. Next stop: Tory Schools Week?

Lol...the irony would be amazing.,.🙄

Oh no! It's Tory Sewage Week.