‘Grandad’s Pride’. Really?

As you have mentioned your school work, VioletSky, are you saying that the school you work in would embrace books such as this? Or are your views just personal and unrelated to your work?

Why do we need Pride?

We do not have celebrations for Heterosexual folks.

We have two sets of close friends who have same sex civil partners, they have never felt the need to dress in outrageous costumes (some of which are bondage related) and parade through the streets.

They live as do our straight friends without the need to parade their sexuality.

For clarification, I was not suggesting that the now defunct "PIE" referred to up thread had any links to Pride or the LGBTQ movement. Anything pertaining to that organisation is historical, but at the time they did infiltrate left leaning politics and there is an article in The Guardian to that effect. My point is that it is a parent's responsibility to challenge certain doctrines that they don't feel comfortable with, children are not wards of the state, at least not yet! As previously posted, this book in all its guises doesn't sit comfortably with those who have posted about it on MN, who tend to be a younger demographic than us here on GN and may have children who are in nursery and school now. I see opposition to material such as the one under discussion as quite universal its nothing to do with conspiracy theories, why would it be?

Staceyann

As you have mentioned your school work, VioletSky, are you saying that the school you work in would embrace books such as this? Or are your views just personal and unrelated to your work?

I didn't mention working in a school

My personal opinions are not for school, children are taught the curriculum not staff opinion

I haven't seen this book at work no

VioletSky

I can't agree with the people that think there is anything wrong with Pride that children should be protected from it.

There's nothing 'wrong' with consensual adult sexual practices involving any demographic - but four year olds can't process the complexity of the human emotions or motives involved in them!

Dickens

*Rosie51 Wed 23-Aug-23 16:56:17*

Why oh why do they persist with the use of the word assigned'?

Everyone's at it now.

Is it to gradually but persistently force everyone to accept that your natal sex is a choice... one you can change at a later date if you want to?

Apart from rare exceptions, sex is observed at birth. Your inner identity later may not correspond with it, but that is entirely different.

It's the manipulation of language to make it fit the ideology, and I'm having none of it.

Oh well said! 👏👏

Dickens

VioletSky

I can't agree with the people that think there is anything wrong with Pride that children should be protected from it.

There's nothing 'wrong' with consensual adult sexual practices involving any demographic - but four year olds can't process the complexity of the human emotions or motives involved in them!

👏👏👏

People don't have sex at Pride?

VioletSky

Staceyann

As you have mentioned your school work, VioletSky, are you saying that the school you work in would embrace books such as this? Or are your views just personal and unrelated to your work?

I didn't mention working in a school

My personal opinions are not for school, children are taught the curriculum not staff opinion

I haven't seen this book at work no

Apologies if you hadn’t mentioned working in a school. Perhaps it was on another thread. I had thought you were a teaching assistant, and wondered if you worked with teaching staff who embraced such books and ideas.

VioletSky

People don't have sex at Pride?

I haven’t seen any posts suggesting that people have sex at Pride

Children are very accepting of what they see in their day to day lives at around age 4. I know my GS wouldn't bat an eyelid if his friend at nursery had 2 mums or 2 dads.
I don't agree with Pride as it creates 'otherness'. Those that are LGBTQ and those of us who aren't.
This will just be confusing to young children who as I said above are accepting and don't need educating in the complex lives of adults.

VioletSky
i didn’t mention working in a school
You’ve told us many times you’re a TA.

MerylStreep

VioletSky
i didn’t mention working in a school
You’ve told us many times you’re a TA.

Not on this thread because I didn't think it was relevant

Anyone is welcome at Pride so no "otherness"

The story in the book talks of the whole village celebrating Pride

There is "otherness." Where is the H for heterosexuals amidst all those letters?

GrannyGravy13

Why do we need Pride?

We do not have celebrations for Heterosexual folks.

We have two sets of close friends who have same sex civil partners, they have never felt the need to dress in outrageous costumes (some of which are bondage related) and parade through the streets.

They live as do our straight friends without the need to parade their sexuality.

Come to that - when do we have celebrations for Women? Straight or gay? No week long TV programmes devoted to us. No nationwide parades.
I feel increasingly like the silent majority

I'm going to have to go back and watch the video for a third time, because I still can't find the bondage picture.

The first two readings, I found it a little bit heavy handed in its determination to get as many inclusivities in as possible - the sibling whose pronoun is "they", for example.
I also found some of the placards the bystanders were holding a bit aggressive.

Otherwise, I found it a fairly charming little book that reflected various diversities with which some children would already be familiar but have never seen represented in a storybook before.

Have heteeosexual people ever had to fight for their rights? Been oppressed?

Incidentally there is a straight flag and I have seen it a pride

I think Pride is very overdone, especially in the corporate world. At one time I had a Santander 123 Account this was before I banked on line so had to go into the branch to switch money across from one account to another. Using their machine in branch, I was always alerted to the whole "we support Pride" before I got to the ultimate screen to transfer money. At the time, I thought "and I need to know this why? what has it got to do with making a financial transaction? it's as irrelevant to me as saying "we support Morris Dancers" Now of course I know about ESG and the onus on businesses to sign up to all of this. Boy! when it's "Pride Month" do we know it. Regent Street in London decked out with flags like some occupying force has taken over. M&S blasting out their vocal support on a continuous loop. I wish everyone well regardless of their sexual orientation, incidentally, I have heard many testaments from gay people along the lines that they find it as tiresome as the rest of the population. I'd say, just tone it down and get out of people's faces, we are generally a "live and let live country" compared to many societies around the world.

Good point AGAA.

Ailidh

I'm going to have to go back and watch the video for a third time, because I still can't find the bondage picture.

The first two readings, I found it a little bit heavy handed in its determination to get as many inclusivities in as possible - the sibling whose pronoun is "they", for example.
I also found some of the placards the bystanders were holding a bit aggressive.

Otherwise, I found it a fairly charming little book that reflected various diversities with which some children would already be familiar but have never seen represented in a storybook before.

OK, found two pics of chaps in bondage lederhosen, from Gramps's memories.

VioletSky

Have heteeosexual people ever had to fight for their rights? Been oppressed?

Incidentally there is a straight flag and I have seen it a pride

There are actually three straight flags

Black and white horizontal stripes

Black merging to white through various shades of grey horizontal stripes

Dark yellow and black blocks (one of each)

Yes VS heterosexual women have been fighting for their rights for years and many feel oppressed by the 'rights' that some trans gender believe they're entitled too, regardless of whether or not it's at the expense of the rights of heterosexual women.

We feel the same TerriBull. There's a lot of corporate virtue signalling nowadays.

Everyone is represented by the rainbow

Corporations jump aboard whatever the current bandwagon is.

Women have been and are still fighting for their rights.

Some men have a history of opposing women’s rights, now they put on a dress to do so.