‘Grandad’s Pride’. Really?

Yes VS heterosexual women have been fighting for their rights for years and many feel oppressed by the 'rights' that some trans gender believe they're entitled too, regardless of whether or not it's at the expense of the rights of heterosexual women.

We feel the same TerriBull. There's a lot of corporate virtue signalling nowadays.

VioletSky

Have heteeosexual people ever had to fight for their rights? Been oppressed?

Incidentally there is a straight flag and I have seen it a pride

There are actually three straight flags

Black and white horizontal stripes

Black merging to white through various shades of grey horizontal stripes

Dark yellow and black blocks (one of each)

Ailidh

I'm going to have to go back and watch the video for a third time, because I still can't find the bondage picture.

The first two readings, I found it a little bit heavy handed in its determination to get as many inclusivities in as possible - the sibling whose pronoun is "they", for example.
I also found some of the placards the bystanders were holding a bit aggressive.

Otherwise, I found it a fairly charming little book that reflected various diversities with which some children would already be familiar but have never seen represented in a storybook before.

OK, found two pics of chaps in bondage lederhosen, from Gramps's memories.

Good point AGAA.

I think Pride is very overdone, especially in the corporate world. At one time I had a Santander 123 Account this was before I banked on line so had to go into the branch to switch money across from one account to another. Using their machine in branch, I was always alerted to the whole "we support Pride" before I got to the ultimate screen to transfer money. At the time, I thought "and I need to know this why? what has it got to do with making a financial transaction? it's as irrelevant to me as saying "we support Morris Dancers" Now of course I know about ESG and the onus on businesses to sign up to all of this. Boy! when it's "Pride Month" do we know it. Regent Street in London decked out with flags like some occupying force has taken over. M&S blasting out their vocal support on a continuous loop. I wish everyone well regardless of their sexual orientation, incidentally, I have heard many testaments from gay people along the lines that they find it as tiresome as the rest of the population. I'd say, just tone it down and get out of people's faces, we are generally a "live and let live country" compared to many societies around the world.

Have heteeosexual people ever had to fight for their rights? Been oppressed?

Incidentally there is a straight flag and I have seen it a pride

I'm going to have to go back and watch the video for a third time, because I still can't find the bondage picture.

The first two readings, I found it a little bit heavy handed in its determination to get as many inclusivities in as possible - the sibling whose pronoun is "they", for example.
I also found some of the placards the bystanders were holding a bit aggressive.

Otherwise, I found it a fairly charming little book that reflected various diversities with which some children would already be familiar but have never seen represented in a storybook before.

GrannyGravy13

Why do we need Pride?

We do not have celebrations for Heterosexual folks.

We have two sets of close friends who have same sex civil partners, they have never felt the need to dress in outrageous costumes (some of which are bondage related) and parade through the streets.

They live as do our straight friends without the need to parade their sexuality.

Come to that - when do we have celebrations for Women? Straight or gay? No week long TV programmes devoted to us. No nationwide parades.
I feel increasingly like the silent majority

There is "otherness." Where is the H for heterosexuals amidst all those letters?

Anyone is welcome at Pride so no "otherness"

The story in the book talks of the whole village celebrating Pride

MerylStreep

VioletSky
i didn’t mention working in a school
You’ve told us many times you’re a TA.

Not on this thread because I didn't think it was relevant

VioletSky
i didn’t mention working in a school
You’ve told us many times you’re a TA.

Children are very accepting of what they see in their day to day lives at around age 4. I know my GS wouldn't bat an eyelid if his friend at nursery had 2 mums or 2 dads.
I don't agree with Pride as it creates 'otherness'. Those that are LGBTQ and those of us who aren't.
This will just be confusing to young children who as I said above are accepting and don't need educating in the complex lives of adults.

VioletSky

People don't have sex at Pride?

I haven’t seen any posts suggesting that people have sex at Pride

VioletSky

Staceyann

As you have mentioned your school work, VioletSky, are you saying that the school you work in would embrace books such as this? Or are your views just personal and unrelated to your work?

I didn't mention working in a school

My personal opinions are not for school, children are taught the curriculum not staff opinion

I haven't seen this book at work no

Apologies if you hadn’t mentioned working in a school. Perhaps it was on another thread. I had thought you were a teaching assistant, and wondered if you worked with teaching staff who embraced such books and ideas.

People don't have sex at Pride?

Dickens

VioletSky

I can't agree with the people that think there is anything wrong with Pride that children should be protected from it.

There's nothing 'wrong' with consensual adult sexual practices involving any demographic - but four year olds can't process the complexity of the human emotions or motives involved in them!

👏👏👏

Dickens

*Rosie51 Wed 23-Aug-23 16:56:17*

Why oh why do they persist with the use of the word assigned'?

Everyone's at it now.

Is it to gradually but persistently force everyone to accept that your natal sex is a choice... one you can change at a later date if you want to?

Apart from rare exceptions, sex is observed at birth. Your inner identity later may not correspond with it, but that is entirely different.

It's the manipulation of language to make it fit the ideology, and I'm having none of it.

Oh well said! 👏👏

VioletSky

I can't agree with the people that think there is anything wrong with Pride that children should be protected from it.

There's nothing 'wrong' with consensual adult sexual practices involving any demographic - but four year olds can't process the complexity of the human emotions or motives involved in them!

Staceyann

As you have mentioned your school work, VioletSky, are you saying that the school you work in would embrace books such as this? Or are your views just personal and unrelated to your work?

I didn't mention working in a school

My personal opinions are not for school, children are taught the curriculum not staff opinion

I haven't seen this book at work no

For clarification, I was not suggesting that the now defunct "PIE" referred to up thread had any links to Pride or the LGBTQ movement. Anything pertaining to that organisation is historical, but at the time they did infiltrate left leaning politics and there is an article in The Guardian to that effect. My point is that it is a parent's responsibility to challenge certain doctrines that they don't feel comfortable with, children are not wards of the state, at least not yet! As previously posted, this book in all its guises doesn't sit comfortably with those who have posted about it on MN, who tend to be a younger demographic than us here on GN and may have children who are in nursery and school now. I see opposition to material such as the one under discussion as quite universal its nothing to do with conspiracy theories, why would it be?

Why do we need Pride?

We do not have celebrations for Heterosexual folks.

We have two sets of close friends who have same sex civil partners, they have never felt the need to dress in outrageous costumes (some of which are bondage related) and parade through the streets.

They live as do our straight friends without the need to parade their sexuality.

As you have mentioned your school work, VioletSky, are you saying that the school you work in would embrace books such as this? Or are your views just personal and unrelated to your work?

Dickens

Staceyann

Four year olds are very much aware of their own bodies - but the adult world of bondage, kink, porn, and all other varieties of sexual preferences, is not something their intellect at that age can process

Or indeed that they should even be attempting to process, surely.

Well, that was rather my point!

I'm sure it doesn't feature in their small world so it's not something they'd be naturally drawn towards - although they are susceptible to make-believe, magic, witches on broomsticks, Peter Pan, etc, etc (not to mention Father Christmas in his many disguises via various other cultures).

But the adult world of 'sex' with all its complexities (and dangers) is something that I don't believe adults should be foisting on them, however 'sanitised' the depictions - Grandad looks quite innocuous in his funny pants in that colourful illustration... quite different I suspect from what grandad would look like down in the bondage 'cellar' with all the equipment and tools of the 'trade'.

Oh, yes, I certainly wasn’t disagreeing with you! I just meant that it shouldn’t even be presented to them.

Joseann

I can't agree with the people that think there is anything wrong with Pride that children should be protected from it

I can't agree with the people that think LGBTQ+ have any links to pedophiles (that's actually a horrific idea on this thread)

I can't agree with the people that think children are getting educated about sex too early because the stories in the papers are not a true reflection of what is actually happening across (or there would be more headlines from every area right?)

I have children ranging from primary to university to adult

People are getting so caught up in conspiracy and ridiculous headlines they are believing a lot of things that aren't actually true