‘Grandad’s Pride’. Really?

If either of our boys granddads had been gay, no problem. Their uncle is.

Had their gay granddad come round with his partner and together they were doing all the 101 pursuits that make up the lives of grandparents of all sexual orientations Terribull has referred too, no problem.

Had their granddad and/or his partner dressed in bondage gear when around the children, BIG problem and can anyone honestly say that wouldn't have been or be a problem for them?

Totally agree with Joseann 8.56 and Terribull 9.05

There is absolutely no need for this book to be pushed onto pre-school children either side of the pond

There is absolutely no need for pre-school children to learn about sexual practices of any sort

👍 TerriBull.

Dickens

Staceyann

Four year olds are very much aware of their own bodies - but the adult world of bondage, kink, porn, and all other varieties of sexual preferences, is not something their intellect at that age can process

Or indeed that they should even be attempting to process, surely.

Well, that was rather my point!

I'm sure it doesn't feature in their small world so it's not something they'd be naturally drawn towards - although they are susceptible to make-believe, magic, witches on broomsticks, Peter Pan, etc, etc (not to mention Father Christmas in his many disguises via various other cultures).

But the adult world of 'sex' with all its complexities (and dangers) is something that I don't believe adults should be foisting on them, however 'sanitised' the depictions - Grandad looks quite innocuous in his funny pants in that colourful illustration... quite different I suspect from what grandad would look like down in the bondage 'cellar' with all the equipment and tools of the 'trade'.

Yes the bondage cellar indeed Dickens! Anyone remember Cynthia Payne and some of her high profile clients that included judges and the like? Well the cellar did, if I remember rightly, when reading about it, include chains, whips and means to suspend people from the ceiling, so whilst "granddad" is in his underwear complete with suspenders is at the tamer end of all of that, it is nevertheless part of an adult world that a young child would not be able to rationalise. Why make the spurious claim, "it's in the interests of inclusivity", and if you, narrow minded people can't see that you are from a different planet altogether. A dangerous precedent is being set, a young mind doesn't need to be overburdened or corrupted by what goes on in the seemier parts of the adult world, unfortunately that will come to them all too soon with the availability of pornography, but in the meantime lets keep their young minds unsullied. As someone suggested up thread in the boiling of the frog analogy, this sort of grooming teaching is insidious and to what end? Lets not forget there was once an organisation called PIE, back in the 1970s, Paedophile Information Exchange, who for a while was endorsed by a few politicians on the basis that it was ok for adults to have sexual relations with minors, if the child gave their consent {hmm] A child can't give consent, they don't have the reasoning to make an informed choice.

The illustration shown on the front of the book which allegedly is aimed at American youngsters, our kids nevertheless get a watered down version. When posters point that out, "anyway that is the American version" what they are saying is "so the British version is not quite as overt" inferring possibly that even on Planet Anything Goes, there is something not quite right about the original picture, but ok for America's small children then?

Is it not possible to weave a story around gay granddad or grandma in a regular context with their partner, showing them for example, gardening, golfing, swimming, cooking, walking the dog, doing all the 101 pursuits that make up the lives of grandparents of all sexual orientations rather than in bondage gear an acknowledged quirk, and yes kids do like dressing up mine even wore their pants over their Superman costumes, but men in stockings and suspenders, how many little children are confronted with that As for the group discussion in the aftermath of story time, when a the child asks "why is granddad dressed like that" how is that answered? some would suggest that it could be skirted around, children do pick up on evasiveness, and if indeed that is the case, why put it in there in the first place.

VioletSky

I am just a person, I get things wrong at times, sometimes I get it right but generally when I am accused of doing or saying something I am not (because people don't like me on a personal level)... Then that is going to show as the truth no matter how much it is twisted

Which is why I am still here isn't it... People who don't like my opinions (sorry about that) played a hand against me and lost

I don't know you Violetsky, but I sometimes used argue the point like you on GN, until I had the good the good grace to realise that, on certain issues, there are those who have far more knowledge and experience than I have.
Have your opinion by all means, but as pointed out earlier, in this instance, I can assure you that you are very much out of step amongst experts who may have actually worked/be currently working (at top level) in the field of safe guarding and protection of young children.

We cannot afford to allow this sort of "stuff" to run away with us, especially in the classroom where there are far more important areas on which to concentrate.

This has nothing to do with what people might have done to you on GN in the past, you are just muddying the waters.

Staceyann

^Four year olds are very much aware of their own bodies - but the adult world of bondage, kink, porn, and all other varieties of sexual preferences, is not something their intellect at that age can process^

Or indeed that they should even be attempting to process, surely.

Well, that was rather my point!

I'm sure it doesn't feature in their small world so it's not something they'd be naturally drawn towards - although they are susceptible to make-believe, magic, witches on broomsticks, Peter Pan, etc, etc (not to mention Father Christmas in his many disguises via various other cultures).

But the adult world of 'sex' with all its complexities (and dangers) is something that I don't believe adults should be foisting on them, however 'sanitised' the depictions - Grandad looks quite innocuous in his funny pants in that colourful illustration... quite different I suspect from what grandad would look like down in the bondage 'cellar' with all the equipment and tools of the 'trade'.

Four year olds are very much aware of their own bodies - but the adult world of bondage, kink, porn, and all other varieties of sexual preferences, is not something their intellect at that age can process

Or indeed that they should even be attempting to process, surely.

Grandma70s

The book isn’t about sex, it’s about acceptance of many diverse ways of life.

The book isn’t about sex...

The teacher at the school in the classroom of 4 year olds argued that they wouldn't understand the erotic and sexualised images.

Grandad is wearing bondage gear - bondage gear is about sex.

Four year olds are very much aware of their own bodies - but the adult world of bondage, kink, porn, and all other varieties of sexual preferences, is not something their intellect at that age can process.

Staceyann

paddyann54

its about diversity and acceptance ...its NOT about Sex or fetishes.
sometimes I wonder if we live on the same planet...so many on here cant seem to understand the simplest things ,they ALWAYS spin it to be something deviant.What kind of minds do you have?

This seems quite a sexual image to me -

Of course it's a sexual image....not the sort of clothes most of us would do the Tesco shop wearing, is it?

I don't know who the promoters of this rubbish think they're kidding.🙄

Namsnanny

It's part of normalizing sexual behaviour.
Both for adults and children
Grooming by any other name.

It's a kind of game.
This book or an other (and there are plenty) draws fire.
People complain and campaign which garners some traction against it.

People relax and think all is well.

But next the push is for 11 y to broaden their understanding of XYZ and we have been softened up so less complain this time.

Not exactly boiling the frog but similar

Sorry, my posts can be a bit muddled at times😂.

No, it's exactly on a par with "boiling the frog".

I would t have let my young children or grandchildren read it, and, hopefully, the adverse publicity this has generated will ensure most parents are taking note of the rubbish being forced down children's necks.

We can but hope.🙄

I am just a person, I get things wrong at times, sometimes I get it right but generally when I am accused of doing or saying something I am not (because people don't like me on a personal level)... Then that is going to show as the truth no matter how much it is twisted

Which is why I am still here isn't it... People who don't like my opinions (sorry about that) played a hand against me and lost

AGAA4

My 4 year old GS has been taught at nursery about keeping his private parts private. He doesn't understand about sexuality of course but I wonder why people have to march and tell the world who they prefer to have sexual relations with as in Pride.

I believe that all people should keep that part of their lives private. It's really nobody else's business. I don't mean they need to be secret about it as in days gone by but shouting about it doesn't do them or anyone else any good.

I agree and I also couldn’t care how they dress at home but in public they should dress appropriately.

There are two gay men locally who are always waiting at the bus stop, easily in their 60s who have mohican haircuts, tattoos everywhere, piercings in their eyebrows, cheeks and nipples and in hot weather they wear the tiniest shorts pulled up so tight that they look like knickers and loose vests so their pierced nipples poke out either side.

It is repulsive and people stare at them but I guess that’s why they do it.

My 4 year old GS has been taught at nursery about keeping his private parts private. He doesn't understand about sexuality of course but I wonder why people have to march and tell the world who they prefer to have sexual relations with as in Pride.

I believe that all people should keep that part of their lives private. It's really nobody else's business. I don't mean they need to be secret about it as in days gone by but shouting about it doesn't do them or anyone else any good.

Callistemon21

VioletSky

At least I don't get personal though

It just damages your own arguments

Really?

Remind me - who was it who said they were leaving GN because of personal attacks from you?

Oh, wait a moment, there are a few.

VioletSky
I wouldn’t dream of arguing with you.
I just point out the idiosyncrasies of your posts.

Thank you

Staceyann

What are TRAs / MRAs please?!

Trans Rights Activists and Men's Rights Activists. Basically the extreme wings of the trans lobby and the anti-feminist one.

Sorry, didn’t mean to put an exclamation mark, just a question mark

What are TRAs / MRAs please?!

It's part of normalizing sexual behaviour.
Both for adults and children
Grooming by any other name.

It's a kind of game.
This book or an other (and there are plenty) draws fire.
People complain and campaign which garners some traction against it.

People relax and think all is well.

But next the push is for 11 y to broaden their understanding of XYZ and we have been softened up so less complain this time.

Not exactly boiling the frog but similar

Sorry, my posts can be a bit muddled at times😂.

The total disregard for the safeguarding of children is astounding.
Yes, it is.

These are not books aimed at 15 or 16 year old children who can think and reason for themselves, they are written in a way which supposedly appeals to susceptible 3 or 4 year olds.
However, I can't see what is appealing for tiny children seeing a near naked Grandad covered in tattoos wearing bondage gear with his young lover leering suggestively at him!

MerylStreep

eddiecat78

It really is impossible to have a sensible discussion if one participant starts using their own definition of established words

eddiecat
And this poster is a teaching assistant 😱

Well said EddieCat.

The TRAs/MRAs on here are never able to put forward a coherent argument or any argument at all. They're also generally unable to see how truly despicable what they do say makes them look. The total disregard for the safeguarding of children is astounding.

My 4 year old granddaughter has a book on quantum physics for kids and she loves it. I’d sooner that one than this one.

BTW all the above illustrations are in the UK version.
They are just bigger or on the cover of the US one.

MAP, bondage, breast removal scar's.

Just what I'm looking for in a book for 4 year old Gc.

Thanks Urmstongran for starting this thread, because I note quite a few people hadn't heard of the acronym MAP.

Now a few more grans are more aware and awake to what is happening in our schools.

That is also true.

It is ironic that the people claiming to be 'inclusive' are the ones excluding every view that doesn't fit with their world view as bigoted, and they don't seem to see it.