Interesting article - Harry the trauma exhibitionist.

Mollygo

*Foxygloves*I too have been a Sam for a long time-and I do not recognise WR’s attitude, either.

Without going into anything at length (and I base this on my viewing of Heart of Invictus as well as my own experience) empathy does not equate to saying “Oh I know, I had that too, this happened to me, I suffered from that, me, me, me”
Harry was not wounded in Afghanistan, did not have his marriage break down because of PTSD, was not homeless when he returned from his period of duty which was in itself sheltered and enjoyed a high level of protection because of his privileged position, and short.
Yes, he could seek help and support for his fellow servicemen and women and sympathise with them, feel for them and want to be “on their side” but not by saying how he himself had “suffered”, because LSS, he hadn’t.

I've always felt sorry for the RF as human beings, at least from Charles onwards, that wee boy sent away to school.

When it comes to William and Harry, and within the context of not having a huge interest in them, I've felt sorry for Harry since people started saying, "Well, William went through the same trauma, and he's come out of it OK".

For one thing, we don't know that William has, he might just be either quieter about it or constrained by his rôle as heir to be quieter about it.

For another thing, as others have said, mental health isn't one size fits all. Harry's mental health is different to his brother's, and his difficulties may have been compounded by his mother's (alleged) determination to make sure he felt equal to William. Of course he was equal as a human being, as are we all, just not in terms of future rôle.

I think some of his behaviour is weird.
I think he needs to find a middle course between stating in public (if he has to) how he feels and trashing his family in public.
I was really pleased when he appeared to find a life belt and escape pod in Meghan but I am not convinced that she is helping him.
I think the constant paparazzi intrusion trying to get a glimpse of him looking momentarily glum is despicable.

Mollygo

^During tje pandemic we locked down to protecr people who had underlying physical health conditions because covid would have killed. The virus dod not harm people who were generally healthy.^

Wrong. And I have personal experience that says you’re wrong. Or you could read the Reuters report if you choose not to believe me.

But if it makes you happy to believe what you wrote, go ahead.

I do apologise for that, it was meant to be. The virus generally didn't seriously affect people who didn't have undrlying health issues

Anniebach

Quote WellsRose Sat 09-Sep-23 01:43:20
Well it's fairly obvious that I meant ableist and I've already mentioned that I have a learning disability involving processing so pulling me up on my spelling is not clever. What is your knowledge of mental illnrss?

I was not pulling you up on your spelling, I wanted to be sure
I was correct in thinking you were being offensive.

How am I being offensive?

Lemsip this an anonymous forum so its hardly blowing my own trumpet that i was a Samaritan. Is was over 20 years ago and what do you mean by high calibre? You say you don't recognise my atitude as a Sam, could you be more specific?

Yes that’s true Lemsip, except that I was and am part of the ^ high calibre back in the day^. You never talk about it-but on GN, it doesn’t count. People can and do talk about anything.

I was wrong anyway to say I didn’t recognise
RW’s attitude. I recognise it only too well.

Mollygo

*Foxygloves*I too have been a Sam for a long time-and I do not recognise WR’s attitude, either.

Back in the day The Samaritans would find people of a high calibre to volunteer. People who would not talk about being one to sing their own praises even on gransnet!

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FoxyglovesI too have been a Sam for a long time-and I do not recognise WR’s attitude, either.

“I too”

WellsRose

I'm sute thete are many organisations that help veterans. I used to be a Samaritan and thats not the only charity for suicidal people but people still commit suicide. Likewise, there are still veterans who fall through the net so what is wrong with a famous person talking about the struggled.

I oo was a Sam for some years and I do not recognise your attitude

During tje pandemic we locked down to protecr people who had underlying physical health conditions because covid would have killed. The virus dod not harm people who were generally healthy.

Wrong. And I have personal experience that says you’re wrong. Or you could read the Reuters report if you choose not to believe me.

But if it makes you happy to believe what you wrote, go ahead.

Quote WellsRose Sat 09-Sep-23 01:43:20
Well it's fairly obvious that I meant ableist and I've already mentioned that I have a learning disability involving processing so pulling me up on my spelling is not clever. What is your knowledge of mental illnrss?

I was not pulling you up on your spelling, I wanted to be sure
I was correct in thinking you were being offensive.

Well it's fairly obvious that I meant ableist and I've already mentioned that I have a learning disability involving processing so pulling me up on my spelling is not clever. What is your knowledge of mental illnrss?

WellRose

Sorr I've let the dog whistle racism go on this thread but we've got ablist bigotry on here

Youre assuming that everyone has the same level of mental fitness.

We don't get this abuse directed at people who are physically vulnerable but its ok to belittle mental health issues.

Ok I'll give you an example of the differences in attitudes. During tje pandemic we locked down to protecr people who had underlying physical health conditions because covid would have killed. The virus dod not harm people who were generally healthy.
So why is beyond people like yourself to understand that someine who has underlying mental health conditions would be more vulnerable to life events such as bereavement.

I assume you mean ableist bigotry, seems my knowledge of mental illness is far wider than yours. I did not say he didn’t have a mental health problem, I said you cannot compare
Post Natal Psychosis with grief , or Queen Victoria grieving for 40 years .

Foxygloves

^Is there a time limit of mental health conditions^ ?
Do you think that the people who were interested in this documentary would they necessarily have watched o so other documentaries and interviews where Harry has talked about his mental health and it might be beneficial for them ?
When you said he made it all about him, how much time did he take up (not had time to watch it)
Has reclaimed to be a hero,did he say that in the documentary
(Who said that?)
I've heard of 'Help for Heroes'. Do you think as a charity they have enough resources to provide care for all the armed forces ? ?
You say he changed his story about getting support. Do you think that when you are in the middle health crisis that you rationally remember everything that happened ?
As I said, never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

What is this Twenty Questions?

Maybe before your myriad hectoring posts, you might have tried reading the article the whole thread is about .

And Ive read the whole article and I still have questions.

I'm sute thete are many organisations that help veterans. I used to be a Samaritan and thats not the only charity for suicidal people but people still commit suicide. Likewise, there are still veterans who fall through the net so what is wrong with a famous person talking about the struggled.

Foxygloves

^Is there a time limit of mental health conditions^ ?
Do you think that the people who were interested in this documentary would they necessarily have watched o so other documentaries and interviews where Harry has talked about his mental health and it might be beneficial for them ?
When you said he made it all about him, how much time did he take up (not had time to watch it)
Has reclaimed to be a hero,did he say that in the documentary
(Who said that?)
I've heard of 'Help for Heroes'. Do you think as a charity they have enough resources to provide care for all the armed forces ? ?
You say he changed his story about getting support. Do you think that when you are in the middle health crisis that you rationally remember everything that happened ?
As I said, never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

What is this Twenty Questions?

Maybe before your myriad hectoring posts, you might have tried reading the article the whole thread is about .

Whats wrong with asking question?

Anniebach

Quote WellsRose Fri 08-Sep-23 18:39:07
Anniebach
Post Natal Psychosis cannot be compared with grief
The human mind is incredibly complex and two people can experience the same thing but come out of it differently.

The most extreme example was Queen Victoria, 40 years mourning.

You are so wrong, impossible to compare 40 years of grief with the torture of post natal psychosis , Queen Victoria’s period of mourning ? rubbish to compare

Sorr I've let the dog whistle racism go on this thread but we've got ablist bigotry on here

Youre assuming that everyone has the same level of mental fitness.

We don't get this abuse directed at people who are physically vulnerable but its ok to belittle mental health issues.

Ok I'll give you an example of the differences in attitudes. During tje pandemic we locked down to protecr people who had underlying physical health conditions because covid would have killed. The virus dod not harm people who were generally healthy.
So why is beyond people like yourself to understand that someine who has underlying mental health conditions would be more vulnerable to life events such as bereavement.

Now I have no idea whether has underlying mental health condition as its private but his mum.had bulemia so its not a massive stretch to assume he could have.

Dol

Callistemon21

We know that Glorianny

It's a wonderful enterprise by Prince Harry, I applaud him for it.

However, was he trying to empathise? If so, would the veterans appreciate his approach having endured possibly worse traumas themselves ? That is the question.

Well the writer thought he was. She describes it as "discussing" and "sharing". She doesn't condemn him. Nor I think do the veterans he is talking to and about.

We know that Glorianny

It's a wonderful enterprise by Prince Harry, I applaud him for it.

However, was he trying to empathise? If so, would the veterans appreciate his approach having endured possibly worse traumas themselves ? That is the question.

I posted this before. But I am doing it again because some don't seem to realise that the account in the post is just one biased and restricted view. Others liked his commentary and his personal references. Of course most will only read the view they find matches theirs
www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a44964035/prince-harry-heart-of-invictus-hat/

Is there a time limit of mental health conditions ?
Do you think that the people who were interested in this documentary would they necessarily have watched o so other documentaries and interviews where Harry has talked about his mental health and it might be beneficial for them ?
When you said he made it all about him, how much time did he take up (not had time to watch it)
Has reclaimed to be a hero,did he say that in the documentary
(Who said that?)
I've heard of 'Help for Heroes'. Do you think as a charity they have enough resources to provide care for all the armed forces ? ?
You say he changed his story about getting support. Do you think that when you are in the middle health crisis that you rationally remember everything that happened ?
As I said, never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

What is this Twenty Questions?

Maybe before your myriad hectoring posts, you might have tried reading the article the whole thread is about .

WellsRose

Callistemon21

I've heard of 'Help for Heroes'

😁

Well, that's a start, perhaps you need to find out more about what help is available for ex-service personnel before you take what Harry says about lack of help as gospel.

I will say that The Invictus Games, founded on the concept of The Warrior Games, is a wonderful idea and proves that there is so much that can be achieved after injury and trauma to servicemen and women and to prove that their injuries do not define who they are.

There is a lesson there - not letting any traumas you endured define who you are.

I dont take anyone's word for gospel
I could research what help is available but it doesn't answer my question about whether there enough. I see a lot of stuff about former service personnel sleeping rough, is that true.
Does talking about the traumas you've endured define you?

I could research what help is available

You could. You might be surprised.

Here's another one:
www.soldiersoffthestreet.org/

There are so many volunteers working so hard to help in so many ways - the unsung heroes.

Of course, so many of those people volunteering are veterans themselves, they wouldn't think of themselves as heroes.

Absolutely, Annie. There is no comparison. Unless someone has been there they cannot understand.

Quote WellsRose Fri 08-Sep-23 18:39:07
Anniebach
Post Natal Psychosis cannot be compared with grief
The human mind is incredibly complex and two people can experience the same thing but come out of it differently.

The most extreme example was Queen Victoria, 40 years mourning.

You are so wrong, impossible to compare 40 years of grief with the torture of post natal psychosis , Queen Victoria’s period of mourning ? rubbish to compare