Interesting article - Harry the trauma exhibitionist.

Wow G! You could have ghost written Harry’s book with all that dramatic, but unproven material.

13 years between Charles and Diana actually. Many people have indeed castigated Charles for his treatment of Diana. (Not me, much. I think Diana was difficult).
Most people sympathised when Harry and Meghan left this country. It's been the way Harry has behaved since, possibly influenced by Meghan but we have no proof of that, and his extreme disloyalty to his family and his apparent repetitive whinging which has turned many people against him.

But isn't it strange the Prince of Wales can marry an unsuspecting girl who is 20 years his younger, can parade before her his past lover who is still his confidant. Use her as a brood mare to provide the heir he needs (not to mention a spare) and maintain his connection with the other woman, and after the convenient death of his ex-wife marry and have crowned his one time mistress, and no one cares or castigates him. Whereas his son marries one woman who refuses to join the circus and runs off to lead a life away from them and he's castigated. Why? Because he happened to open his mouth and talk about the dysfunctional family he came from. And that's not permitted.

Yes you're right, Wallis didn't want to marry Edward or for him to give up the throne. Wallis and Ernest Simpson would have been wise to have backed away from that relationship when they were still able to,but as always hind sight is a wonderful thing! Once Ernest divorced her, Wallis was trapped. Not sure Edward had a Mummy complex, he certainly liked order women,but didn't really get on too well with Queen Mary. Harry in the other hand most certainly has,even believing that Meghan is his mother. Tbh, it's a tragedy of Shakespearean proportions.

Jaberwok

I think that from what can be gathered, Windsor men rely to a greater degree on strong women. Not sure about Edward V11th, but George Vth relied a lot on Queen Mary, George V1th relied heavily on the late Q.M, Charles 111rd certainly needs Queen Camilla, William again has a very strong steady wife, all of whom have been good for them and the RF. However, Harry along with Edward V111th also married strong women whom they completely relied/rely on. Unfortunately both Wallis and particularly Meghan couldn't have been worse for them

Edward VIII and Harry were/are both needy men with a mummy complex in my humble opinion.

I've read that Wallis didn't want Edward to renounce the throne or to marry her but she was pretty much pushed into it. I don't think she had an ulterior motive. Edward threatened suicide and claimed he couldn't live without her.

Meghan is very different to Wallis ......

Maybe the media are a little miffed at Harry's comments ref. The war in Afghanistan. Being accused of being indifferent to the plight of our armed forces doesn't sit well with outlets that can be proved to have been more than concerned , Wooton Basset was certainly not ignored,Help for Hero's? The Sun newspaper devoted pages of news about our injured/ dead soldiers.Perhaps Harry hasn't heard of any of that. To say no one cared was an out and out spiteful lie, something we have learned to expect from Harry.

I think that from what can be gathered, Windsor men rely to a greater degree on strong women. Not sure about Edward V11th, but George Vth relied a lot on Queen Mary, George V1th relied heavily on the late Q.M, Charles 111rd certainly needs Queen Camilla, William again has a very strong steady wife, all of whom have been good for them and the RF. However, Harry along with Edward V111th also married strong women whom they completely relied/rely on. Unfortunately both Wallis and particularly Meghan couldn't have been worse for them

There are several comments through this thread about the trauma of people, friends, acquaintances, indeed actual posters experiences (death, injury, parental neglect) and how these individuals aren't in the media "whining". And comparisons to Harry and his by comparison charmed upbringing.

We are not all the same. Some will feel death or loss intently, some will be resilient. These comments come up time and time again and it's just hot air and bluster.

I strongly feel the media, the press, are manipulating the public and I will not fall for it. Photos of Harry looking bored at a concert - do you really not think there were probably 100's of photos taken and that one shot makes the cut as "Harry bored" - rather than one of Harry looking happy, because that isn't what the press want you to see. They are out there, those photos of Harry with a smile on his face - but gauging from opinions on this thread no-one is interested in that.

This thread makes me feel unclean. Nasty and unpleasant, these comments - same people, and it's the same thing every time M&H pop up; I've better things to do.

Anniebach

Why not start a thread on Andrew ?

Go on then!

No I'm certainly not saying that, just that their paths crossed. Mind you, who knows!

Well if her dad was taking her then it probably shows why she was vulnerable.

Where have you heard that about Andrew being acquainted with Andrew and are you saying they slept toogether?

jenpax

Insecure attachments. Charles struggled so makes sense that he might too have struggled with bring up his own children.

Oh yes, a very difficult relationship, as shown in this photograph: 😃

Allegedly, Virginia G's own father used to drive her to these partys, collecting her when convenient. I understand he was well paid for his taxi service. This girl was 17 when Andrew knew her, how does anyone know that he wasn't told that she was older. As mentioned Andrew would have appeared to have been the scapegoat for other much more important people, Bill Clinton being the most talked about. Allegedly Andrew was acquainted with Harry's wife in her yacht girl days,but that's being well kept under wraps.

Our ‘knowledge’ of H&M comes from the media, so who knows what is true, but I’ve inferred that Meghan saw herself as the new Diana, and has encouraged Harry to ‘see’ the damage he has borne alone ( until she came along, obviously), and is convincing him that she is fixing him.
I also suspect that the media intrusion only became troublesome when the reporting was less than favourable. Had the media portrayed her as a Diana type figure, it could have been a different story.

Why not start a thread on Andrew ?

Anniebach

Andrew has accepted being removed from public duties and removal of titles.

Harry plans to write a second book

As I said you can associate with paedophiles, go to their parties, lie about the whole thing and as long as you keep quiet it's OK.

Virginia Guiffre was an abused child lured into prostitution and trafficked by a known paedophile, and Andrew had sex with her but some people think she's the one to blame!!

Andrew has accepted being removed from public duties and removal of titles.

Harry plans to write a second book

eazybee

Virginia Guiffre was not raped and she was not a child.
She worked for two years as a prostitute of her own volition and left without hindrance.
Andrew has consistently denied any sexual relations with her and was prepared to face her in court to go to court. My belief is, (no firm evidence) that the Queen paid the settlement because she knew this case would be dragged out to interfere with the Jubilee, in my opinion, a mistake.
I shan't continue with any more arguments involving Andrew.

What is your evidence that he was prepared to go to court.
Your mother can't pay your debts if you stop her having any contact with your legal team. If he was so keen he could have gone. He didn't

Epstein was under house arrest for soliciting minors and prostituting them. Andrew claimed he was only there once but court papers have just showed he spent 4 nights with Epstein in 2010 after E's conviction
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/prince-andrew-newsnight-jeffrey-epstein-b2379514.html
Epstein paid off Sarah Ferguson's debts.

Virginia Guiffre was not raped and she was not a child.
She worked for two years as a prostitute of her own volition and left without hindrance.
Andrew has consistently denied any sexual relations with her and was prepared to face her in court to go to court. My belief is, (no firm evidence) that the Queen paid the settlement because she knew this case would be dragged out to interfere with the Jubilee, in my opinion, a mistake.
I shan't continue with any more arguments involving Andrew.

Anniebach

The late Queen had 8 grandchildren, 5 have spoken publicly of their affection for her, two are too young for public statements,
one has trashed her .

What did he say to trash her because I've not seen them.

Yes linked but not accused

Anniebach

Did Andrew visit in Jail ? I missed that . So strange the only person named in the Epstein scandal was Andrew

Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, Donald Trump have had their names linked to Jeffrey Epstein.

The late Queen had 8 grandchildren, 5 have spoken publicly of their affection for her, two are too young for public statements,
one has trashed her .

thanks, i thought you meant when sentenced