The Law of unintended consequences

It’s a pity we can’t raise a petition to get a General Election before the New Year.

I imagine the Labour Party are up in the air about all this?

Braverman's job is to keep the immigration 'problem' in the public eye to attract votes for the Tories at the GE, not to solve the 'problem'. The longer the backlog, the higher the cost and money wasted, the more boats, the more squawking about luxury hotels, more looking tough, etc., the more votes from racists, anti-immigrants, BNP members, etc., they will gather in.

Grantanow

Braverman's job is to keep the immigration 'problem' in the public eye to attract votes for the Tories at the GE, not to solve the 'problem'. The longer the backlog, the higher the cost and money wasted, the more boats, the more squawking about luxury hotels, more looking tough, etc., the more votes from racists, anti-immigrants, BNP members, etc., they will gather in.

Oh dear, same old, same old.

Grantanow

Braverman's job is to keep the immigration 'problem' in the public eye to attract votes for the Tories at the GE, not to solve the 'problem'. The longer the backlog, the higher the cost and money wasted, the more boats, the more squawking about luxury hotels, more looking tough, etc., the more votes from racists, anti-immigrants, BNP members, etc., they will gather in.

The “small boats” are certainly one of the wedges that the Tories are hoping to use - whether it is effective is doubtful.

But the fact is that they have not enacted the illegal immigration bill because of the consequences of the enactment.

Absolutely bizarre and another example of Tory incompetence.

When will they start listening to the people of this country? Politicians are each following their own agenda without considering the wishes of the people. Are they even thinking about the effect all of this immigration is having on communities, not just the native British but the various different cultures of the immigrants. They are all being thrown together into some sort of social soup. There are already incidents of racial tension and it will only get worse.

Curtaintwitcher

When will they start listening to the people of this country? Politicians are each following their own agenda without considering the wishes of the people. Are they even thinking about the effect all of this immigration is having on communities, not just the native British but the various different cultures of the immigrants. They are all being thrown together into some sort of social soup. There are already incidents of racial tension and it will only get worse.

If the politicians listened to the majority of the public, they would be treating the asylum seekers with a good deal more humanity than is being shown to them at present.

56% of people in the U.K. think that asylum seekers contribute positively to the country, with 54% saying that asylum seekers should be allowed to stay.

The Tories toxic rhetoric is largely rejected by the British public.

Yet again a thread that equates economic migrants with asylum seekers. They are not the same. Britain has always been very welcoming to refugees. The fact that many people are suffering from compassion fatigue is exactly because there are too many immigrants - illegal and legal.

So, the latest HO blunder. They are trying very hard to reduce the cost of the hotel bill, now it is clear that the HO will have to bear the cost if the illegal immigration bill is enacted.

Ex-military basis are being chosen to house the asylum seekers.

However, local councils are slapping a notice on the refurbishment because they are “breaching planning control”.

It is also becoming clear that the living conditions are so poor for those already moved to a military base that they are leaving and simply refusing to return, because the conditions are “unbearable”

The government are unable to keep the asylum seekers confined, because they are not criminals and have broken no law in either entering the U.K. or choosing not to stay in accommodation offered.

What I genuinely don't understand is when we are told that refugees have to go to the first safe country they come to and stay there, but at the same time that the UK has more than our share of refugees.

This does not compute, as we are an island. There can never be a situation where the UK is the first safe country, unless people from Eire need to seek refuge. How is that remotely fair to the anyone taking in people from a country with shared borders, or on the same land mass?

The law states that those seeking sanctuary are free to choose the country they wish in which to claim asylum.

This nonsense of “the first safe country” is only an expedient concept for the states convenience, and not written in law, so if you think about it is absolute nonsense as if that was the case countries like Turkey and Italy would be stuffed with asylum seekers.

The world needs to recognise that the situation is going to grow ever worse as the climate degenerates.

This nonsense of “the first safe country” is only an expedient concept for the states convenience, and not written in law, so if you think about it is absolute nonsense as if that was the case countries like Turkey and Italy would be stuffed with asylum seekers.
Exactly my point .

So why are politicians allowed to keep getting away with saying the 'first country' thing?

Because it suits them and they are supported by the media, but in fact they are behind the curve as far as the British public is concerned.

These asylum seekers are neither criminal nor illegal ( because the Tories are too frit to enact the Illegal immigrant bill), although even then this is direct contravention of the UN convention which we are signed up to.. they are in fact here perfectly legally, so it is time that the HO got off its arse and dealt with the ridiculous build up it has allowed to happen by pandering to Braverman’s ideology.

It has been found that the Bibby Stockholm has the most deadly strain of legionella - so the Tory minister who announced a couple of days ago that the asylum seekers will be back on board soon is a tad optimistic.

Someone has just said on Any Questions that many 'illegal immigrants' have travelled through several safe countries before they get here, and nobody has challenged him.

Why is this allowed?

Exactly - they are not illegal 😄 not even here, even though the stupid idiots keep calling them so.

I'm not sure who he was - a Tory MP or maybe he is in the Lords, I think. He should be aware of the law, whoever he is though.

The trouble is that people hear this so often and repeat it as though it's fact. It really should be a requirement that these things are corrected (or at least challenged). AQ is pre-recorded, so that would be easy, and live programmes could be expected to make corrections at the beginning of the next episode.

Whitewavemark2

Exactly - they are not illegal 😄 not even here, even though the stupid idiots keep calling them so.

Why don’t we just let everyone in who wants to come. Never mind the housing crisis the healthcare crisis the policing crisis the education crisis to name but a few. Let the whole world crowd into one of the smallest countries and see how that works out for everyone.

GrannyRose15

Whitewavemark2

Exactly - they are not illegal 😄 not even here, even though the stupid idiots keep calling them so.

Why don’t we just let everyone in who wants to come. Never mind the housing crisis the healthcare crisis the policing crisis the education crisis to name but a few. Let the whole world crowd into one of the smallest countries and see how that works out for everyone.

You don’t seem to understand what my argument is.

I am arguing and pointing out the total incompetence of the Tory government. That they have wasted tax payers money to an eye watering degree and have allowed dogma to get in the way of common sense.

I am not arguing for us to have a totally open border. Quite the reverse in fact. I am asking for a government who understands the law, deals with asylum seekers appropriately and in a timely manner and has a immigration policy that benefits the U.K.

Thankyou for clarifying. I can agree with most of what you say. But getting it right is proving very difficult especially as there are so many people who don’t agree that we should have proper immigration controls. Do you think the Labour party has any better ideas? Because I don’t.

How does what the LP may or not do make what the Tories have done more or less acceptable? We don't know what they would do - we do know what the Tories have done - for 13 years.

especially as there are so many people who don’t agree that we should have proper immigration controls.

Who are they, GrannyRose15?.

I don't know of any political party that doesn't want proper immigration controls. So who are these people?

I don't know who they are either. I know plenty of people who are appalled by what the government is doing and saying, but I don't know anybody who thinks immigration shouldn't be controlled.

Doodledog:

'the UK has more than our share of refugees.'

No we don't, they make up just 0.54% of the UK’s total population:

www.refugee-action.org.uk/about/facts-about-refugees/#:~:text=Are%20there%20many%20refugees%20and,of%20the%20UK's%20total%20population.

Hetty58

Doodledog:

'the UK has more than our share of refugees.'

No we don't, they make up just 0.54% of the UK’s total population:

www.refugee-action.org.uk/about/facts-about-refugees/#:~:text=Are%20there%20many%20refugees%20and,of%20the%20UK's%20total%20population.

Excuse me?

Where did I say that the UK has more than our share of refugees?