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The Law of unintended consequences

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Whitewavemark2 Thu 07-Sep-23 11:59:28

This could easily be put onto the Tory embarrassment thread, but it is interesting enough to warrant its own thread, and reasonably complicated to need more significant explanation
, so for me it is easier to do so with bullet points

The information was gleaned from The Newsagents.

So.

* The Illegal Immigrants Bill received royal assent towards the end of July.
* This states that people entering the U.K. illegally are no longer considered asylum seekers but illegal immigrants.
* Because those arriving in the small boats and other modes of transport are internationally classed as asylum seekers, the U.K. government has been quite legally able to use the overseas aid budget which amounts to >6 million a day,
* the money for this is managed by Difd, who were more than a little put out to find that money that could be used to help people remain in their own war torn, climate change affected country, was instead being used to pay the hotel bill.
* The Home Office, for ideological reasons had allowed the backlog to rise to an almost unmanageable number.

So here is where Braverman has come totally unstuck - or rather as usual - the tax payer
* the asylum seekers are now classed as criminal illegal immigrants.
* guess whose budget is responsible for paying to house criminals
*The Home Office! Which you might think is poetic justice, until you realise that
* >£6million a day will now be taken away from,
* The police Budget
* Immigration (the irony)
* drugs policy
*counter terrorism etc.
*apparently they were warned continuously of this but refused to listen.
*catching the headlines appears more. Important than good law.
* because of the Law of Unintended Consequences - the illegal immigration law has not yet been acted.

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Grantanow Sat 09-Sep-23 20:26:28

No apologies for repeats. If it's the same old, same old it's because that is what the Tories do.

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MaizieD Sun 10-Sep-23 10:27:21

Doodledog

Hetty58

Doodledog:

'the UK has more than our share of refugees.'

No we don't, they make up just 0.54% of the UK’s total population:

www.refugee-action.org.uk/about/facts-about-refugees/#:~:text=Are%20there%20many%20refugees%20and,of%20the%20UK's%20total%20population.

Excuse me?

Where did I say that the UK has more than our share of refugees?

What I genuinely don't understand is when we are told that refugees have to go to the first safe country they come to and stay there, but at the same time that the UK has more than our share of refugees.

I think she misinterpreted this sentence.

I know you would never say that.

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maddyone Sun 10-Sep-23 10:42:03

I’m not sure that most people think asylum seekers contribute positively to this country. Immigration certainly contributes positively to this country because doctors, nurses, midwives, dentists, financial experts, IT workers, and many others can come to this country perfectly legally. We have many shortages (unsure why with a population of nearly 70 million) and they are filled by legal immigrants. Over 600,000 came last year. Many were students and families of students. They may well stay on and fill professional jobs in the future. Those arriving on boats would not be arriving on boats if they were doctors etc. Maybe we need them to pick vegetables etc but what we don’t need is a never ending flow of small boats bringing people to stay at great cost to the taxpayer, in hotels up and down the country.
This is not an anti immigration post, it is an anti small boat post. This ridiculous situation needs to stop, and it will not stop until coming to this country via a small boat is not successful long term.

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Whitewavemark2 Sun 10-Sep-23 10:53:13

maddyone

As soon as the government gets off its arse and sorts out safe routes - the small boats will cease immediately.

It isn’t rocket science but you do wonder at Braverman’s agenda. Well, I don’t actually - I know exactly what her agenda is!

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Doodledog Sun 10-Sep-23 11:06:28

MaizieD

Doodledog

Hetty58

Doodledog:

'the UK has more than our share of refugees.'

No we don't, they make up just 0.54% of the UK’s total population:

www.refugee-action.org.uk/about/facts-about-refugees/#:~:text=Are%20there%20many%20refugees%20and,of%20the%20UK's%20total%20population.

Excuse me?

Where did I say that the UK has more than our share of refugees?

What I genuinely don't understand is when we are told that refugees have to go to the first safe country they come to and stay there, but at the same time that the UK has more than our share of refugees.

I think she misinterpreted this sentence.

I know you would never say that.

Ah, I see - thanks, Maisie.

No, I was in no way saying that the UK has more than our share od refugees. It may have been misinterpreted, but the clues to my meaning are there, aren't they? 'What I don't understand is. . ', and 'but at the same time [we are told] that. . .' grin.

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MaizieD Sun 10-Sep-23 12:52:29

Those arriving on boats would not be arriving on boats if they were doctors etc.

How can you possibly know that, maddyone?. Have you seen every single one of their applications for asylum?

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Whitewavemark2 Sun 10-Sep-23 12:56:44

In a way it doesn’t matter how asylum seekers arrive - Braverman treats them all the same - with inhumanity.

We do know that there was an Afghanistan doctor that arrived by plane and was put onto the Bibby Stockholm.

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