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The NHS this winter. “Let’s be careful out there”. Needs must it seems.

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Urmstongran Thu 14-Sep-23 14:36:29

The NHS will be handed an extra £200 million to fend off a winter crisis but health chiefs say the next round of strikes by junior doctors and consultants is likely to wipe it out.

A shocking state of affairs. What do you think?

maddyone Sun 17-Sep-23 10:53:56

Just why?
Why does this government seem to want to stop people accessing healthcare? I just don’t understand why?
Surely a healthy workforce is preferable to a sick one?
This £200 million is a drop in the ocean. It won’t do anything at all.

Doodledog Sun 17-Sep-23 10:59:54

maddyone

Just why?
Why does this government seem to want to stop people accessing healthcare? I just don’t understand why?
Surely a healthy workforce is preferable to a sick one?
This £200 million is a drop in the ocean. It won’t do anything at all.

The Americans don't understand why, if they are lucky enough to be healthy, they should pay for those who are not, and see the idea of compulsory contributions to a healthcare system as infringing their liberty.

If we started to think like that, they could get rid of education, housing associations, benefits and so on, which fits with the Tory mentality of self-reliance.

I absolutely disagree with that way of thinking, but I do understand the 'logic' behind it.

SueDonim Sun 17-Sep-23 12:08:52

Surely you risk ending up with a French Revolution situation, then, Doodledog. The rich behind their barriers with armed guards but eventually they’ll be overwhelmed by the impoverished masses.

Doodledog Sun 17-Sep-23 13:40:34

That doesn't happen in the US. People either pay for healthcare even if it ruins them or thy die. There are state schools with police in the corridors for those who can't afford private - even universities are mostly private, and the welfare system is rudimentary to say the least. No revolution though.

DiamondLily Sun 17-Sep-23 16:37:15

Well, over here, more and more are paying for private healthcare. I'm doing the same.

www.theguardian.com/society/2023/may/24/record-rise-in-people-using-private-healthcare-amid-nhs-frustration

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-62042465

JRTW2 Mon 18-Sep-23 18:23:22

JenniferEccles

I’m appalled at the behaviour of these selfish, already well paid doctors and consultants.
What about their commitment to their patients on the ever- lengthening waiting lists ?
What is it they are demanding - 35% isn’t it? It’s obviously all about money, despite what they say.

I hope the government holds its nerve.

Many get paid less than a cleaner after accruing 5 years of student debt! £28000 isn’t well paid for caring for 90 patients for 12 hours overnight

Glorianny Sat 23-Sep-23 11:04:20

We should realise as well that healthcare is big business and one of the reasons some Tory MPs want to restrict the NHS is because they are already on the payroll of private health providers.. The really sad thing is that both Tory and Labour MPs are now taking private healthcare cash www.thenational.scot/news/uk-news/23568478.much-labour-tory-mps-get-private-health-firms/