Braverman in the USA

Ms. Braverman as leader of the Conservative Party would be the final nail in the party’s coffin.

You are absolutely correct Ronib and it still continues, as evidenced by the case of Sara Sharif.
Suella Braverman is speaking hard common sense.
England is being treated as a life-raft, and is in danger of being swamped by the numbers attempting to climb on board.

Urmstongran

Well something needs to be done. The UK situation is becoming untenable. And extremely expensive.

If Braverman had been on top of her brief the backlog would not exist.

She has spectacularly failed at her job, it isn’t just the asylum seeker issue it is everything - Prisons, police etc she is utterly hopeless

So good luck to the tory party if they vote her in as the next leader

Whitewavemark2 I think both of your last posts are correct.

The current worldwide migrant crisis needs a solution, particularly the current plight of both residents and refugees in Laperdusa (sp)

What Ms. Braverman is proposing is not it.

Urmstongran

Well something needs to be done. The UK situation is becoming untenable. And extremely expensive.

I wouldn’t disagree with that. But for a start we have to stop supporting oppressive regimes. Sunak is currently trying to stop Germany blocking the sale of Typhoon jets to Saudi Arabia. We were partly responsible for the situation in Afghanistan. How many people are fleeing wars in countries that we have, in the past, sold weapons to? Our reduction of foreign aid ( and using some of it to supplement the cost of housing migrants in hotels etc) isn’t helping, either. We have to get to the root of why there are so many people fleeing their homeland. And it can only get worse with global warming. You can’t just decide to change the definition of what a refugee is to make them miraculously disappear.

Has anyone read "The Education of Hyman Kaplan" by Leonard Q Ross, published in 1937? It's an entertaining book about an English language class for immigrants in America. (I think such classes compulsory for acquiring citizenship but perhaps some of our US posters would know.) Anyway, we should be able to ensure that anyone applying for permanent residence here should attend language classes and learn about our social responsibilities and rights. That would include all women. I do think that it's wrong for any immigrant women to be excluded from our society when our women are not.

I too was thinking about Afghan women when I heard about Suella Braverman's dreadful speech.

I think the truth if it is as has been written-

Braverman’s speech was directed at the home audience, in particular the very right wing of her party, as she is undoubtedly after the leadership.

And capital punishment if you are gay - that is a tad more than discrimination I would have thought.

ronib

A very long time ago, my dissertation was on settlement of migrants in one particular town in the UK. I remember being surprised that some females were not learning English and were very much home based. There was no integration of females into mainstream English culture at that time and that traditions and culture were followed from the home country unsurprisingly. It seemed to me that male children were favoured over female ones in traditional families.

We have several acquaintances who were originally from Bangladesh, the men and male children socialise, speak perfect English, the boys learn to drive as soon as they are 17.

Meanwhile the wives speak little English, only socialise with other Bangladeshi women. The girls have Western freedoms whilst at school, but return home to a different way of life. We only know one family who send their under fives to pre-school and the wife works outside of the home.

I am in no way critiquing their lifestyle, but get why some might.

Similar I guess to some English enclaves abroad.

I am utterly ashamed that Braverman is our Home Secretary. Her lack of empathy is staggering. If the Home Office processed asylum applications in a timely manner, the situation would be eased. But it’s in Braverman’s interests to inflame the situation rather than solve it - pandering to right wing, racists. Shame on you Braverman!

A very long time ago, my dissertation was on settlement of migrants in one particular town in the UK. I remember being surprised that some females were not learning English and were very much home based. There was no integration of females into mainstream English culture at that time and that traditions and culture were followed from the home country unsurprisingly. It seemed to me that male children were favoured over female ones in traditional families.

Oreo, it's a lot more than women being looked down upon. In afghanistan a woman is virtually a prisoner, cannot go out unaccompanied by a man, has no rights,has no education, no schooling. T~hat's a lot more than being looked down upon. ther's also the morality police in Iran. Did you not see the excellent documentaries about women disappearing?No wonder some try to escape . Could you live like that ?I know I couldn't .

Well something needs to be done. The UK situation is becoming untenable. And extremely expensive.

Embarrassing and totally without empathy.

780 million people are entitled to claim asylum under existing laws according to SB. How was this figure calculated?

Surely you know by now, ronib that the tories make these figures up.

It's not so long ago (last spring) that Braverman was claiming that 100 million refugees were about to descend on the UK

fullfact.org/immigration/suella-braverman-100-million-claim/

ronib

780 million people are entitled to claim asylum under existing laws according to SB. How was this figure calculated?
This is a very pertinent point and it is not clear how the UN answers it.
I think it’s time to take stock and move forward to a better understanding of who is in great need and what conditions apply for asylum to be granted regardless of the political party in power at the moment.

Just what I was going to say.Under existing UN laws the entire country of Afghanistan except for the taliban could apply for asylum.Where does it end?
In quite a few countries being a woman is looked down upon and being gay taboo but every woman or gay person being discriminated against can’t disperse to Europe.
It does need looking at again, whatever anyone thinks of Braverman.

John Crace has a splendid column in the Guardian, well worth reading .

~i# am so ashamed of her spouting which is totally against what this country has stood for. I was watching the programme about hunting the Nazis and comments were made about their character which could apply to several of the far right wing, including ms Braverman. Does she not read the world news and see what is happening to women in Afghanistan, or threats of the death peanalty in ~Nigeria for homosexuals.Of course she does but all that matters to her is pleasing the right of the Conservative group and gaining their support as leader.How she can hold up her head I do not know.Her facts are often wrong, she has failed in her post ,and should be removed. Or standing in the world is going down every time she speaks.

Whitewavemark2

“Fearing discrimination for being a woman is not sufficient to claim refugee status”

Tell that to women in Afghanistan. Perhaps Braverman should try living there - at least we would never hear from her again!

I too was thinking of the women in Afghanistan when I heard her say this. Braverman now needs to tell us exactly what will be sufficient for a person to claim refugee status and explain what she means by the legal route to do this. Who, in the name of humanity , can agree with her and think that this woman is speaking for the British people?

780 million people are entitled to claim asylum under existing laws according to SB. How was this figure calculated?
This is a very pertinent point and it is not clear how the UN answers it.
I think it’s time to take stock and move forward to a better understanding of who is in great need and what conditions apply for asylum to be granted regardless of the political party in power at the moment.

“Fearing discrimination for being a woman is not sufficient to claim refugee status”

Tell that to women in Afghanistan. Perhaps Braverman should try living there - at least we would never hear from her again!

According to Braverman, multiculturalism has failed.

So answer me this - how did we get

Braverman and Patel as Home Secretary.

Sunak as Prime Minister

Kwasi Kwarteng - Savid Javid, Nadhim Zahawi as chancellor

James Cleverly in Foreign Office.

And so on.

Does she know where the bodies are buried? Can't think of any other reason why she's got so far. I am not happy (understatement) at being represented internationally by a racist who is in charge of dealing with migration and refugees. Is she seriously someone who is looking at being leader of the Conservative party? Heaven help us!

She is the most toxic, nasty, racist ( let’s rev the troops up to more hatred) person I ever come across
I cannot wish her well
I wish she would disappear she is an embarrassment and doesn’t t speak for the majority of this country

I see the UN refugee council has entirely rejected her argument.

Braverman has failed at the HO so of course just like all the other failures in her party - Johnson, Truss etc - blames others.

So she has hit on the idea of blaming the rules.