Israel, Hamas and now Hezbollah

No one wins with all this brutality. Hamas are seen to be a bunch of brutal thugs but some of the Israelis are not much better. Nothing much has changed since Biblical times with Philistines and Jewish tribes. Except the weapons are so much worse now.

Oreo

MayBee70

‘Sir, We are a group of UK paediatricians who are compelled to speak out about the British government’s inadequate response to the catastrophe in Gaza. We deplore the terrorist actions of Hamas and call for the immediate release of all hostages. Right now there is a child health emergency in Gaza. A million children’s lives are imperilled by the actions of the Israeli government. International law forbids the collective punishment of a civilian population and also forbids the forced removal of civilians. Spurred on by uncritical support from western governments, Israel continues to commit these heinous war crimes.
The violent targeting of civilians by Hamas and Israel is destroying hope for the stable, peaceful, just and secure future that all children in the Middle East need in order to build their lives. Calling unequivocally for a ceasefire and for the upholding of international law is the minimum that can be expected of any government in this situation. For the sake of Israeli and Palestinian children, our political leaders must do better.
Dr Alex Armitage, consultant paediatrician, Shetland; Dr Nadia Shad, paediatric registrar, London; Dr Jyotsna Nair, consultant paediatrician, Aberdeen; Dr Syed Muneeb Qadri, paediatric speciality doctor, Aberdeen; Dr Frances Denniss, paediatric registrar, London; Dr Bushra Ahmed, academic clinical lecturer, London; Dr Catriona Middleton, consultant paediatrician, Aberdeen; Dr Anna Elise Hodgson, paediatric registrar, Sussex; Dr Deeksha Dhar, paediatric registrar, London; Dr Yousef Basma, consultant paediatrician, London; Dr Bejal Devalia, consultant paediatrician, Nottingham; Dr Sarah Boutros, consultant paediatrician, London; Dr Erum Jamall, consultant paediatrician, London; Dr Susie Minson, consultant paediatrician, London; Dr Anna Rzeskiewicz, paediatrician, London; Dr Sarra Abu El-Gassim, consultant paediatrician, London; Dr Amna Suliman, paediatrician, London; Dr Rawia Eltahir, paediatric registrar, Dudley; Dr Khalid Abdelhafiz, paediatric registrar, North East England; Dr Hanin Elabbas, paediatrician, UK; Dr Rawda Idris, paediatric registrar, Northern Ireland; Dr Salma Amin, paediatric registrar, West Midlands; Dr Alice Armitage, paediatric registrar, London; Dr Amal Mohmmed, paediatrician, Yorkshire; Dr Shoaib Khan, consultant paediatrician, Aberdeen; Dr Salma Mohamed, paediatric registrar, North East England; Dr Ozioma Obi, consultant neonatologist, London; Dr Muhammad Rizwan, consultant paediatrician, Hull; Dr Hannah Townsend, consultant paediatrician, Yorkshire; Dr Sehrish Aziz, paediatric registrar, Stoke-on-Trent; Dr Hani Khdir, consultant paediatrician, Hull; Dr Lesley Clarkson, consultant paediatrician, Hull; Dr Sarah Salih, senior paediatric clinical fellow, Liverpool; Dr Intan Yeop, consultant paediatrician, Yorkshire; Dr Sarah Jarvis, consultant paediatrician, Aberdeen; Dr Sreenivas Peraka, paediatrician, UK; Dr Rima Al-Saffar, paediatrician, London; Dr Arwa Othman, paediatric registrar, London’
This from today’s Times.

As almost all those names are Muslim names, it’s not really surprising.

I think the British government have acted well.The heinous war crimes are all on Hamas.

Are you implying that all Muslims support terrorists?

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/is-israel-hamas-war-driving-a-wedge-between-jewish-and-muslim-communities-in-uk/ar-AA1ix5Bk

Rabbi Herschel Gluck and Mohammed Gajia have been friends for 30 years...

Just to give a different perspective.

I think it has to be accepted that Hammas will never accept returning hostages as an exchange for a ceasefire on Gazan citizens. The Israeli government surely knows this.
Hammas will use their network of tunnels to survive and yet another game of Whack a Mole will start.
The indiscriminate bombing of Gazan civilians will not eradicate Hammas.

The bombing smacks far more of a staged revenge against Hammas, in line with previous dehumanisation of Gazan citizens. Hammas won't be affected, the lives of civilians in Gaza are not valued.

Are you implying that all Muslims support terrorists?

The majority of Muslims either passively or actively do support terrorist aims, particularly Israel’s right to exist.

Katie59

Are you implying that all Muslims support terrorists?

The majority of Muslims either passively or actively do support terrorist aims, particularly Israel’s right to exist.

How do you know?

Have you done a survey?

I think the bottom line is there is going to be 1,000’s more deaths and injuries on all sides.

Hamas have no intentions of giving up the hostages nor are they willing to negotiate.

Somehow they have a steady supply of weapons and ammunition, how long will their stockpiles last?

Israel will not rest after the barbarism of 7/10, and have the right to protect themselves. I hope they stay within humanitarian laws.

Other terrorist organisations are getting involved, we can only hope that Heads of State in the Middle East keep cool heads and exert pressure on those terrorists operating within their borders.

"Other terrorist organisations are getting involved"

That's what I fear.

It's strange that the British media seem to be ignoring the missiles fired from Yemen. The US has accused the Houthis, but has overlooked the continuing existence of groups like al Nusra and al Qa'ida.

Egypt is still dragging its feet regarding opening the Rafa border crossing to let aid into Gaza.

Is it worried that Hamas terrorists will try to enter Egypt this way?

growstuff

"Other terrorist organisations are getting involved"

That's what I fear.

It's strange that the British media seem to be ignoring the missiles fired from Yemen. The US has accused the Houthis, but has overlooked the continuing existence of groups like al Nusra and al Qa'ida.

It’s turning into a perfect storm for fundamentalist terrorists, they will use this situation to wage a war on the west.

Sunak’s diplomatic skills need a lot of work!

My goodness please someone bring him back before he makes any further gaffs.

I'm not a fly on the wall during security meetings, so I don't know. However, I can understand why Egypt wouldn't want an influx of Palestinians. They're also saying that they're worried that Hamas will just seize any aid.

GrannyGravy13

growstuff

"Other terrorist organisations are getting involved"

That's what I fear.

It's strange that the British media seem to be ignoring the missiles fired from Yemen. The US has accused the Houthis, but has overlooked the continuing existence of groups like al Nusra and al Qa'ida.

It’s turning into a perfect storm for fundamentalist terrorists, they will use this situation to wage a war on the west.

That's what concerns me. The Hamas leaders are in Qatar, so they won't be affected. The more I think about it, the more I think that ordinary Palestinians are being used in something much more complicated.

*Sunak’s diplomatic skills need a lot of work!
My goodness please someone bring him back before he makes any further gaffs.*

Absolutely! What was he thinking, saying he hoped that Isreal would ‘win’! That is not the language of peace.

growstuff

I'm not a fly on the wall during security meetings, so I don't know. However, I can understand why Egypt wouldn't want an influx of Palestinians. They're also saying that they're worried that Hamas will just seize any aid.

Going on Hamas’s modus operandi I have no doubt that the aid would be directed towards them and not the civilians.

LizzieDrip

*Sunak’s diplomatic skills need a lot of work!
My goodness please someone bring him back before he makes any further gaffs.*

Absolutely! What was he thinking, saying he hoped that Isreal would ‘win’! That is not the language of peace.

Israel winning is a far better outcome than Hamas winning

If Hamas win, you best start constructing your own safe rooms

GrannyGravy13

growstuff

I'm not a fly on the wall during security meetings, so I don't know. However, I can understand why Egypt wouldn't want an influx of Palestinians. They're also saying that they're worried that Hamas will just seize any aid.

Going on Hamas’s modus operandi I have no doubt that the aid would be directed towards them and not the civilians.

That's what Egypt is saying.

With regard to Rafah - the Egyptians are requesting that Israel avoid bombing that area when the convoys are entering Palestine - seems a reasonable request.

The Israelis say that they will not stop bombing until the hostages are released.

Meanwhile people are suffering in untold ways. Who cares about them?

Certainly not Hamas or the Israelis because if they did they would ensure relief was brought to them.

GrannyGravy13

LizzieDrip

*Sunak’s diplomatic skills need a lot of work!
My goodness please someone bring him back before he makes any further gaffs.*

Absolutely! What was he thinking, saying he hoped that Isreal would ‘win’! That is not the language of peace.

Israel winning is a far better outcome than Hamas winning

If Hamas win, you best start constructing your own ^safe rooms^

But then Sunak’s next visit is to the Arab nations who support the Palestinian cause.

So no he has no diplomatic skills the civil servants in the foreign office must be holding their hands in despair!

GrannyGravy13

LizzieDrip

*Sunak’s diplomatic skills need a lot of work!
My goodness please someone bring him back before he makes any further gaffs.*

Absolutely! What was he thinking, saying he hoped that Isreal would ‘win’! That is not the language of peace.

Israel winning is a far better outcome than Hamas winning

If Hamas win, you best start constructing your own ^safe rooms^

I don't think Hamas will win on its own, but it depends how many other countries get dragged into it. I don't think they care much how many lives (Israeli or Palestinian) are lost in the process.

I hope relatively stable countries like Egypt, Jordan and even Saudi stay onside.

GrannyGravy13

LizzieDrip

*Sunak’s diplomatic skills need a lot of work!
My goodness please someone bring him back before he makes any further gaffs.*

Absolutely! What was he thinking, saying he hoped that Isreal would ‘win’! That is not the language of peace.

Israel winning is a far better outcome than Hamas winning

If Hamas win, you best start constructing your own ^safe rooms^

A bit ott! No one thinks Hamas will win😄😄😄 let alone begin to construct a safe room.

Honestly!!

Whitewavemark2

GrannyGravy13

LizzieDrip

*Sunak’s diplomatic skills need a lot of work!
My goodness please someone bring him back before he makes any further gaffs.*

Absolutely! What was he thinking, saying he hoped that Isreal would ‘win’! That is not the language of peace.

Israel winning is a far better outcome than Hamas winning

If Hamas win, you best start constructing your own ^safe rooms^

But then Sunak’s next visit is to the Arab nations who support the Palestinian cause.

So no he has no diplomatic skills the civil servants in the foreign office must be holding their hands in despair!

I think he's visiting Egypt, Saudi, Qatar and Turkey. They might support the Palestinian cause, but they don't support Hamas. The last thing any of those countries want is a terrorist organisation undermining their authority.

I totally agree with you on this growstuff

LizzyDrip
What other word would you use?
Israel and Gaza are at war, ergo, there will be a winner.