Covid Inquiry

I didn’t say he was growstuff but he was a law breaking role model to the population.

maddyone

Casdon

Grandmabatty is right though, it’s an Inquiry, not an enquiry.

Perhaps we’re pedants Casdon but I noticed too.

I believe that the only real difference between an 'Inquiry' and an 'Enquiry' is that of their spellings. They both mean the same thing and probably come from the same root word.

Inquiry is traditionally used for a formal enquiry....

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I’ve never ever supported him or this govt since they came to power ! Interesting through my 20’s and 30’s I always voted conservative in both local and general elections ! In my 40’s I became far more of a centralist and voted LibDem however now in my 60’s I have one leg firmly in the Labour camp and will do literally anything to stop the Tories getting back into power and I’ve shed tears about how parts of their electorate have been treated

Think all of us will have to agree to disagree here ! The best thing BJ did was ensure funds were available for the vaccine development and roll out and support Sunak in the whole furlough process. The rest of BJs “reign” is littered with arrogance and lies which are every day for this man based on both his personal and professional history.

What surprises me is that anyone is surprised

What is appalling is that when the Tories chose Johnson as their Leader and therefore PM they knew exactly what he was like but they wanted him as a vote winner. Nothing else mattered. The price was paid by those who died in the pandemic. Never vote Tory again.

MaizieD

maddyone

Casdon

Grandmabatty is right though, it’s an Inquiry, not an enquiry.

Perhaps we’re pedants Casdon but I noticed too.

I believe that the only real difference between an 'Inquiry' and an 'Enquiry' is that of their spellings. They both mean the same thing and probably come from the same root word.

Inquiry is traditionally used for a formal enquiry....

premium-oxforddictionaries-com.libproxy.ucl.ac.uk/words/enquire-or-inquire

This is an Inquiry, that’s how it’s referred to in all the official documentation. I think Online Teachers has a clear explanation.
‘Inquiry and enquiry sound the same (ɪnkwaɪəri), but have different meanings in British English. Inquiry means ‘official investigation’ – e.g. The government launched an inquiry into corruption. Enquiry means ‘a question about something’ – e.g. The gym received an enquiry about its opening hours. Americans only use inquiry.’.

Oh for Heavens sake people, get over yourselves. I suspect what he meant was that old people die! An eventuality. We live and then we die!
A bit unfortunate as we would all like to live for ever, but, get a grip. Lucky for us that we didn't die during Covid. It was a bit of a Lottery - nothing is ever certain. Something will get us!!

At least England is getting an enquiry into Covid. The Welsh Assembly have completely ruled it out and will not change their minds.
We have had Labour for 24 years, no alternative as mostly Labour voters here, and the waste of money is beyond belief.

As someone who was on the front line, all I can say is thank your lucky stars that you were not at work in the care sector when people were dying and you could do nothing to help them. All these people not at work and having the luxury of jogging, walking and generally enjoying the countryside, just think of what could have happened if you had to continue going to work. The enquiry you are watching is for England. There is also one going on in Scotland. You are really brought down to earth when you are on the phone trying to get assistance for someone who is dying (from Covid) and they have died before NHS24 have answered your call.

silvercollie

Oh for Heavens sake people, get over yourselves. I suspect what he meant was that old people die! An eventuality. We live and then we die!
A bit unfortunate as we would all like to live for ever, but, get a grip. Lucky for us that we didn't die during Covid. It was a bit of a Lottery - nothing is ever certain. Something will get us!!

No, that’s not what he meant, is it? What he meant was that we know that thousands of deaths in the elderly are preventable if the country is locked down, but they are less important to us than the economy, so we will sacrifice those lives for the economy.

JANH

At least England is getting an enquiry into Covid. The Welsh Assembly have completely ruled it out and will not change their minds.
We have had Labour for 24 years, no alternative as mostly Labour voters here, and the waste of money is beyond belief.

Er - look at the Terms of Reference!
This Inquiry is UK wide. It has been set up to examine the UK's preparedness and response to the Covid-19 pandemic, and to learn lessons for the future. The experiences of people in Wales, Scotland and NI will be properly and thoroughly reflected in the inquiry.

I think our government did the best they could the same as every government in the world. Would you prefer China - forcibly locked up if they suspected symptoms. Or France not allowed in shopping centers, restaurants etc without a vaccine. Or Canada no entry without vaccine. Or try Scandinavia where there was no lockdowns.
We now need to move on from this it's a waste of time and money. With 2 wars happening atm, cost of living crisis, UK kids starving in poverty, NHS in chaos especially dentists let's put it in the past and sort out the current state of affairs. You can't rewrite history- bad mistakes were made in all countries.

Isn’t it the very same government that are responsible for inflation, NHS crisis, child poverty etc etc. Or am I missing something here? Or does changing leader every five minutes absolve the previous one and the party from any responsibility for what happened in the past?

I think Sazz1, that those who were prevented from seeing their loved ones in hospitals or care homes, those who were prevented from removing loved ones from care homes to look after them in their own homes, those who saw DNR put in place on their relatives without consultation, those who could not attend funerals or give support to family members who were bereaved, whilst those in power acted as judge and jury on us all whilst simultaneously partying and capitalising on the situation to increase their own and their mates’ wealth, it is impossible to ever put this in the past or forgive the people responsible.

sazz1

I think our government did the best they could the same as every government in the world. Would you prefer China - forcibly locked up if they suspected symptoms. Or France not allowed in shopping centers, restaurants etc without a vaccine. Or Canada no entry without vaccine. Or try Scandinavia where there was no lockdowns.
We now need to move on from this it's a waste of time and money. With 2 wars happening atm, cost of living crisis, UK kids starving in poverty, NHS in chaos especially dentists let's put it in the past and sort out the current state of affairs. You can't rewrite history- bad mistakes were made in all countries.

...bad mistakes were made in all countries.

Of course. And other countries are also holding inquiries - for the same reason as we are. Which is to learn from those mistakes so that we don't repeat them the next time there's a major public health crisis. And to be as prepared as we can possibly be for such an eventuality.

Lives, lots, were lost. And money - lots - was given to various dubious companies for equipment that either didn't materialise or was sub-standard.

... and you think we should just "move on"?

If you don't look at what you did - you won't know what to do - or not do, next time.

The inquiry is not preventing government from doing its job which is to deal with the "current state of affairs".

Matt Hancock was NOT called Midazolam Matt for nothing. HE was the one responsible for shipping the vulnerable people back to care homes where Covid spread like wildfire and finished them off. He was the one who ordered VAST supplies of Midazolam to make sure the job was done under the cover of medication.
If you joined the dots like I do, you'd honestly be horrified at how everyone has been misled.

Remember the old adage, that there's no smoke without fire, and what you are hearing now is the tip of the iceberg. Will anyone be held accountable? Of course not.

So do you think Labour under KS would have done any better? He chose to ignore many many complaints as head of CPS about Jimmy Savile. Makes you think what else would he have ignored during the pandemic.

I think this sums it up.

sazz1

So do you think Labour under KS would have done any better? He chose to ignore many many complaints as head of CPS about Jimmy Savile. Makes you think what else would he have ignored during the pandemic.

I think we can be pretty confident that the business of government would have been conducted with more professionalism and less disdain for the the lives of the elderly sazzl, whatever other failings there would be.

Grantanow

What is appalling is that when the Tories chose Johnson as their Leader and therefore PM they knew exactly what he was like but they wanted him as a vote winner. Nothing else mattered. The price was paid by those who died in the pandemic. Never vote Tory again.

Do you think there would have been no deaths if the leadership or government had been different? Despite all the shenanigans going on in Downing Street, I think Covid was always going to cause an enormous number of deaths, particularly in the older demographic. There was a huge number of deaths in almost every country in the world and they were not all being governed by our government. My comments are not a defence of what was happening in Downing Street, anything but, because I think it was entirely unacceptable for the behaviour that went on, in particular the breaking of rules that the rest of us had to follow, but Covid was always going to cause large numbers of deaths, just as it did everywhere else. I was happy to isolate and to try to protect myself and my husband. Almost as soon as restrictions were lifted we both got Covid.

I don't think it's helpful to blame people and a party who weren't in charge of government at the time. That's deflection. This is about recognising the very real failings of those who were allegedly in charge in the hope that answers might be given

Boris was elected leader on a vote of ordinary party members. As I remember it, elected MPs were far less enthusiastic about him and I think some of them voted for him with one eye on their constituency members, they didn't want to be without a constituency in the next election.

Jeremy Corbyn was also the result of a massive bottom up vote, with far less support from MPs, although again i think some voted for him with one eye on Momentum in their constituency.

The problem is, with both parties, that many of their members would vote for a cods head, if it was wearing the right colour rosette.

sazz1

So do you think Labour under KS would have done any better? He chose to ignore many many complaints as head of CPS about Jimmy Savile. Makes you think what else would he have ignored during the pandemic.

No sizzle, you’re entirely wrong. Starmer was head of CPS during a period 2007-2008 when four allegations were made to Surrey and Sussex police that Saville had indecently assaulted girls and young women in the 1970’s.
Starmer was not the lawyer involved in reviewing the police information. There is no evidence that Starmer was directly involved in the decision not to prosecute Saville.

growstuff

maddyone

One of the experts was guilty of going to his girlfriend’s house regularly whilst advising the rest of us to stay at home and not mix even with family.
Just saying.

That didn't mean he was wrong with his modelling.

Neil Ferguson was the person.
By his actions he showed that he didn’t believe in the lockdown in the lockdown rules.
I remember the day that news broke. I received a call from my distraught daughter. I told her I was going to her. She begged me not to, I might get pulled up.
I told my daughter just let them try and stop me, I’ll show them this breaking news on my phone 😡