Israel/Palestine - To think this is how I feel

It isn't to do with like or dislike, my opinions are based on more than ephemeral feelings.

Much to my regret Wiki has been long regarded as unreliable.

Unfortunately so has the BBC.

I also do not trust the BBC to report accurately any longer. I’m very much saddened by that. We watch the BBC news every day but we also watch and read other sources as we know that the BBC is no longer impartial. I used to be proud of the BBC but unfortunately I’m now ashamed of it. The simple fact that they refuse to call Hamas what it is, a terrorist organisation, really shows us the bias of the BBC.

Gosh, Namsnanny Maddyone that's really sad for you, I see and hear lots of rubbish/lies/ misinformation etc but it just makes me more determined to find the truth. You've got to sort through the coal to find the diamonds. Do I believe everything I read? No of course not but neither do I judge on the basis of single issues. So the BBC doesn't say Hamas is a terrorist organisation? Well they could and their "in Gaza reporters" would probably have their heads blown off. How would that help anyone? We all know Hamas is a terrorist organisation but we also want to know what is actually happening in Gaza. Or perhaps you don't? Perhaps being told of the suffering of innocent woman and children is too painful or uncomfortable? I don't know, only you do. If anyone else says " I weep for the poor Palestinians"" then agrees it's OK for them to be crushed out of existence, I think I'll be sick. AND NO I am not anti semitic, I just don't see that killing children, women and innocent Palestinians, destroying their homes and their lives will ever bring peace to anyone and it seems that a lot of people, who are much cleverer and much more experienced than I am, agree.

Although I think the BBC may have lost their way sometimes, I do think Jeremy Bowen and his colleagues are doing an excellent job reporting from such a dangerous area, just as they all do from these areas of conflict over the years.

Journalists like them put their lives on the line to bring us up-to-date news of what is happening and we mustn't forget all those who have lost their lives or been injured bringing us these important reports.

Yes, it is sad foxie. But it is what it is, that’s how I feel about the BBC. It won’t stop me watching and listening, I just listen knowing not everything will be reported accurately. Mind you, that’s true of other news outlets too, but the BBC is our national outlet, so it’s a bit sad.
I want to know what’s happening in Gaza. Did you think I didn’t ? I can’t speak for others though. It’s important we know what’s happening there and why it’s happening there and to know something of the history too.

I agree Callistemon, all the journalists, from whichever paper or news outlet have done a sterling job in bringing the news to us. Sometimes the news is extremely harrowing but they still carry on and do their very difficult job.

foxie48

Gosh, Namsnanny Maddyone that's really sad for you, I see and hear lots of rubbish/lies/ misinformation etc but it just makes me more determined to find the truth. You've got to sort through the coal to find the diamonds. Do I believe everything I read? No of course not but neither do I judge on the basis of single issues. So the BBC doesn't say Hamas is a terrorist organisation? Well they could and their "in Gaza reporters" would probably have their heads blown off. How would that help anyone? We all know Hamas is a terrorist organisation but we also want to know what is actually happening in Gaza. Or perhaps you don't? Perhaps being told of the suffering of innocent woman and children is too painful or uncomfortable? I don't know, only you do. If anyone else says " I weep for the poor Palestinians"" then agrees it's OK for them to be crushed out of existence, I think I'll be sick. AND NO I am not anti semitic, I just don't see that killing children, women and innocent Palestinians, destroying their homes and their lives will ever bring peace to anyone and it seems that a lot of people, who are much cleverer and much more experienced than I am, agree.

Sheesh! Why the tirade foxie48 ?

Surely we can all choose freely what we watch and listen to?

If you have faith in some one either because the have held some sort of office, or have some sort of title by their name then fine. Go ahead, you wont find me bothered.
I just don't do the same.

The journalists I've listened to and watched on the Gaza border have been very brave, and have verified some of the injustices that have happened.
Which is very important given that bots flood the internet with false information.

I don't know where the rest of your accusations come from, certainly not from anything I have written.

The today programme for example has lost 1 million listeners in the last year, it's not Maddys problem it's the BBC's problem. People are using different forms of media now.

Those who were told to flee to the South are now suffering from starvation, lack of water, medicine and living piled on each other, with now outbreaks of chickenpox, and respiratory infections, as well as all sorts of other ailments due to dirty water and close proximity.

And they are now told to evacuate the South- where on earth are they supposed to go?

Some lives are clearly worth so much more than others. And some forms of discrimination and racism too. Why should rampant Islamophobia not be condemned, but any criticisim of Netanyahu's extreme Zionism seen as antisemitism?

Why?

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Not from anything I’ve written either Namsnanny.
We are all free to read/watch anything we wish to, and we are free to form an opinion on what we have seen.
Others may form a different opinion and that’s fine. It won’t make me feel sick. I accept there are differences of opinion.

Correction- now told to evacuate away from the South! Where???

I see that there is growing discontent in the White House at the USA full support of Israel’s actions.

I think that proportionality is going to do for them in the end if they don’t pull their neck in and it is getting perilously close to looking like genocide.

Israel will have to have a ceasefire soon the US will insist, for now the US is influential, if/when Israel looses US support it could get much much worse.

Israel is losing support even from it's closest allies. I'm not surprised this incursion is inhumane and almost certainly the IDF are committing war crimes. People including children being operated on without anesthesia and proper pain relief. Now they are being to evacuate El Shifa hospital within the hour. I'm shocked anyone can justify it. Over 12k dead in 6 weeks, how long will this continue and how many more dead? What an unholy mess!

I don't know what to believe any more!

This news appears to be true and is horrific. Is Israel going to provide ambulances to a genuinely safe place for the patients?

Israel has failed to provide convincing evidence of the command centre it claimed was under the hospital. Some of the videos which were produced caused derision across the world because they were so amateur.

I guess the next stage will be to flatten the whole hospital complex and will claim the evidence was destroyed at the same time. Unfortunately, any Hamas fighter is likely to have scarpered days ago, which might leave some of the Israeli hostages, who could be the main victims.

Growstuff I'm afraid that you might be correct, the Israeli govt will need to show justification for their actions and without independent oversight who knows how honest they will be. Netanyahu has a very effective propaganda machine, it's not just terrorists organisations that tell lies.

Well that will be handy for you wont it, if you can find a reason not to believe anything that is said. Whilst still I guess quoting the BBC which has had to apologise for its 'mistakes'.

Handy for me? What a silly comment! My life won't be affected one way or the other. I'd just like to know the truth.

Incidentally, I would imagine the BBC is being a bit extra careful about its reporting after the previous incident.

What it's now saying is that Israel failed to find proof of the command centre it claimed was under the hospital.

The number of weapons found was negligible and could feasibly have been planted - especially the ones behind the MRI machine, which wouldn't have been able to operate with metal objects in the room. There was some claim about a calendar, which turned out to be a handwritten rota in Arabic. There have been questions about boxes with "MEDICAL SUPPLIES" written on the outside in huge letters in English. It was almost as though they were written for the foreign media, especially as video (by the IDF) showed soldiers handling the boxes as though they were empty. There was also some date-stamped footage on a laptop, which proved to be fake. Video of taped over CCTV cameras by the IDF (which the IDF claimed Hamas had taped) was coincidentally shown in Hamas footage just a couple of days beforehand untaped. Why would Hamas try to hide evidence of Israeli activit?

Initially, I was open-minded. I wasn't there - I don't know if it was planted. However, the IDF has now taken down most of the videos from their own Twitter (X) account, which does seem a tad suspicious.

You have just lectured people on unsubstantiated information and now seem to be doing the same.
I have no idea either way although am afraid my trust in the BBC has been eroded over a number of years.

I don't know if I'm alone in feeling teachers should be non partisan around their pupils as far as the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is concerned. In fact imo it should be outside their remit to imbue or influence the children in their individual political stance. They have a duty of care to all their children. Reading about one instance of proposed support of a head for a pro Palestinian march which left Jewish pupils feeling unsafe. Sometimes it has been apparent that some of the younger demographic don't have a clear overview of all the facts anyway.

I wish to correct my post, in the instance quoted, the Head didn't encourage the pupils, she wanted to create a safe space for all, but have read about occasions of partisan politics entering the school place.

I dont think you would be alone in thinking teachers should be non partisan Terribull.
I cant think of anything worse than radicalising educating children in politically sensitive subjects or ideologies.

Poor things need so much more to equip them for a fulfilled life than to end up being the next sock puppet of the latest political fad.

Galaxy

You have just lectured people on unsubstantiated information and now seem to be doing the same.
I have no idea either way although am afraid my trust in the BBC has been eroded over a number of years.

No, I didn't, I'm still very cynical about everything I see, hear or rid.

However, in the case of the videos the IDF produced, I'm afraid they really do appear staged and, in at least one case, was staged. The IDF just hasn't produced the evidence of the central control centre they claimed was underneath the hospital. If they do, of course I'll believe it. I'm waiting.

Now that those told to flee to the South have sort of managed to do so, and are there all on top of each other, without food, water or medicine, etc, the News announce that the IDF is about to attack ... the South. What else is this but ethnic cleansing.

Videos of attack on family homes and mosques, by milicia and army, in the West Bank, not Gaza- and land grabs everywhere.

Reports this morning of a possible 5 day ceasefire alongside the return of some hostages. 🙏🏽