Israel/Palestine - To think this is how I feel

I agree Callistemon.
The most they can hope for is to disable Hamas, but unfortunately, it will rise again.

So the recent posts are in agreement - that a different, lasting agreement is neded, equable enough to be kept by BOTH sides, no resentment of Palestinian presence by Israelis, and no resentment of Israeli attempts to reseed Palestinian areas with Jewish settlements.

How that can be achieved without one of them destroying the other? Suggestions on a postcard please, addressed to Netanyahu with a carbon copy to Hamas. I have a nasty feeling neither of them will take up the suggestions and hold constructive talks. They share both a historic genetic relationship and a history of conflict, and neither want to compromise. The sufferers are the ordinary populations of both Palestine and Israel.

"We know there is another side, The Palestinians have undoubtedly been treated most unfairly, but nothing justifies the brutality that was meted out that day." taken from OP

I heard the IDF spokesman on the radio this morning, Hegari, I think is his name. The Israeli govt doesn't seem to understand that continuing to justify their actions by constantly repeating the actions of Hamas on the 7/10 does not keep public opinion on their side. There can never be any equivalency and IMO they need to show more humanity not just in their actions in Gaza but also in how they present their face to the world. The young men who join Hamas are totally brutilised by their experiences and I fear the same for the young men and women of the IDF. This does not bode well for any future peace

This was a historic moment:

However, certain sectors will always be filled with hate, as was heard by vile chants by Irish football spectators when the Queen died ☹

Please keep her out of this, honestly.

This child is the same age as my GD, 2 years younger than my GS. He has lived through several wars- all he has seen and experienced is destruction and fear. What will he become in the next few years, and his generation. He won't forget, or forgive.

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Please keep her out of this, honestly.
It was just an illustration of a point about reconciliation, Fleurpepper, which I thought worth mentioning.
I don't take orders about what I should or shouldn't post, apart from GNHQ.

"We know there is another side, The Palestinians have undoubtedly been treated most unfairly, but nothing justifies the brutality that was meted out that day." taken from OP.

But in turn, is the greater brutality justified which has been meted out in response for that day? How far can escalating brutal retaliation be continued? Up to, say, a nuclear bomb? That is where repeated escalations eventually lead.

I suspect until the hostages are found or released. Hamas could end this today by releasing the hostages. They don’t want to. They want it to continue.

It's because Hamas don't play by humanitarian civilised rules that Israel must if they want to retain the support of other countries. It does not matter to Hamas how many Palestinians are killed but it does matter to those countries who need to be part of any peace process. They are playing into the hands of Hamas whilst creating more potential terrorists, it's utter madness.

Someone share this to me today. And it is beyond shocking- children in Israel taught to sing about the total destruction of Gaza and the Palestinian people.

Does anyone speak Hebrew? Is the translation correct.

youtu.be/mo6bGp652XI?si=WnAHrWzTccS9-uHq

This video is there for all to see- Palestinians, and all their supporters all over the Arab world, and beyond. Shocking and disgusting in the extreme, to use children like this for such propaganda.

Fleurpepper

Someone share this to me today. And it is beyond shocking- children in Israel taught to sing about the total destruction of Gaza and the Palestinian people.

Does anyone speak Hebrew? Is the translation correct.

youtu.be/mo6bGp652XI?si=WnAHrWzTccS9-uHq

This video is there for all to see- Palestinians, and all their supporters all over the Arab world, and beyond. Shocking and disgusting in the extreme, to use children like this for such propaganda.

Fleurpepper there were multiple online footage clips from of children being taken out of U.K. schools last week to protest, some as young as 6/7 all chanting from the river to the sea

There is propaganda coming out from both sides in this conflict.

Hamas should return the hostages immediately, then a ceasefire can be negotiated.

This

I think I saw somewhere that the unborn baby has now been born whilst mum is in captivity. I suppose it must be known because she’s reached her due date.

So what should Israel do? Complain to the useless UN and listen to them to reprimanding Hamas and getting nowhere? Sit and wring their hands? Beef up border security? (Well, they certainly should do that,) and hope Hamas will repent of their wicked ways, stop the rockets and release the hostages ? Unlikely! Unless Hamas can be beaten they will threaten Israel and the Palestinian people again and again until, like Hitler, they have to be stopped, never mind the cost. There can always be hope for peace and reconciliation. This country went through two WW's with Germany at great anguish , but I don't think that many of us these days hate or seek revenge from them.

"they have to be stopped, never mind the cost."
I think that's easy to say when the cost is someone else's life and future? So how far is too far in humanitarian terms, Jaberwok? The Israelis have killed over 12K Palestinians, a high proportion of these have been women and children. They have destroyed a huge area of Gaza so there is nowhere for people to live, few services, no clean water, no medical services, no electricity, The children are unable to go to school and many of the schools have been destroyed or damaged. They have closed or damaged hospitals. They have moved well over a million people into an area that was already overcrowded and short of accommodation and services. They have stopped food and fuel coming into Gaza for long periods of time and when they have allowed some through it was been totally inadequate to meet the needs of Gazans so they are starving. They have shelled people in supposedly "safe" areas. So, how much further is too high a cost in your eyes or is there no limit?

You can never, ever, totally destroy a whole family, or group of believers, or nation, so that there will be no-one left from it. There will always be some who escaped, or who had been sent to safety by their parents or protectors, or who saw the carnage and were so traumatised by it that they vowed vengeance on the destroyers. The more violence used to put down a rebellion, the longer the hatred lasts in the survivors, and the longer the vendetta lasts.

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Fleurpepper

Someone share this to me today. And it is beyond shocking- children in Israel taught to sing about the total destruction of Gaza and the Palestinian people.

Does anyone speak Hebrew? Is the translation correct.

youtu.be/mo6bGp652XI?si=WnAHrWzTccS9-uHq

This video is there for all to see- Palestinians, and all their supporters all over the Arab world, and beyond. Shocking and disgusting in the extreme, to use children like this for such propaganda.

Fleurpepper there were multiple online footage clips from of children being taken out of U.K. schools last week to protest, some as young as 6/7 all chanting from the river to the sea

There is propaganda coming out from both sides in this conflict.

Hamas should return the hostages immediately, then a ceasefire can be negotiated.

Yes, and that is why it is important to show that the propaganda is from both sides. And the chanting, and flags, and the diabolical misuse of innocent children.

I have shown this to friends from Israel, and they were extremely shocked to see this. An old traditional song being used this way, with the video of the bombing.

I think the Israelis seriously thought they would find the hostages under the Al-Shifa hospital. They built the place and they would know that there is a large bomb proof shelter under the hospital. Not built by Hamas but by Israelis. It would be one of the few places large enough to hold a large number of hostages.

If you feel you have to completely destroy the enemy who is determined to destroy you, then the price will be high, think Hiroshima. Yes I do know what I'm talking about. My stepfather was a POW for three years with the Japanese. Yes he was lucky to survive, but had Japan been invaded, never mind the millions of Japanese and allied personal who would have been killed, all POW's would have murdered, not cleanly shot but other methods of death that were particular favorites My own father was killed 5 weeks before I was born, burnt to death in a fireball Lancaster. Yes,to defeat a determined enemy the price on all sides is always sadly very high.

Thank you for your honest answer but perhaps Hamas feel they also have to destroy their enemy any way they can. I am in no way condoning the behaviour of Hamas but it does become increasingly difficult to defend the actions of Israel if they become similar to the terrorists they are fighting. Your comparison with bombing Japan, however, does not stack up. In Gaza the IDF is fighting a terrorist group not a nation, Japan had an army, Palestine does not. The bombing of Hiroshima and Nakasaki was horrific but it did bring the war to an end. What is going on in Gaza, however, will not bring peace only cause more hatred. I am sorry to hear of your father and step father, war is dreadful but you still haven't answered my question. What cost would be too high?

Having discussed Hiroshima, I'm not sure that there is one, that is why they are so very terrible. Wars can't be fought with one arm tied behind your back , so to win one is a shocking business. Yes you are right about Palestine not having an army, but to beat Hamas? Do you let terrorism go on year after year, or go in and put an end to it, and of course the cost will be, and is, hideous, but hopefully will end in a proper government for Gaza and eventually a two state system. Thank you for your kind comments. Yes we can certainly agree that was is horrendous.

Thanks Jaberwok.
Of course propaganda and the exploitation, grooming of children into belief systems that cause only more pain, death and distress is happening on what is increasingly called ‘both sides’

There is intent to destroy blatantly admitted by Netanyahu and politicians.

Gaza has been under siege for 16 years and an illegal occupation.

12,000 killed including 5, thousand children, and 1,000 babies.
These Netanyahu makes out are all Hamas so keep destroying all of Gaza.

Now the intent to starve Withholding water food fuel two slices of bread not enough water Palestinians are starving

This is Genocide
Spoken by a Jew from Israel an expert on genocide.